<div dir="ltr">Hi all. <div><br></div><div>Remember that the study design (p.41) says in U3O1 KK2 "one-dimensional arrays (<b>single data type</b>, integer index)" so the intent of 'array' is pretty clear.</div><div><br></div><div>The study design works pretty hard to make itself language-independent, and focuses on universal and fundamental programming truths.</div><div><br></div><div>Have a happy pedagogical Monday, everyone.</div><div><br></div><div>Mark</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 7 March 2016 at 11:30, Laurie Savage <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:08327998@pvgc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">08327998@pvgc.vic.edu.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">I'm no expert here so I'm very happy to be corrected but this poses a problem with PHP and Python where arrays and lists are interchangeable. In PHP and Python arrays can contain elements of different types: e.g.<div><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>$fred = array("Fred", "Smith", 40, 78.50) so $fred[2] + $fred[3] = 118.5 but $fred[0] + $fred[1] should throw an error in PHP, not in Python.</div><div><br></div><div>or</div><div><br></div><div>$fred = array("FName"=>"Fred", SName"=>"Smith", "Age"=>40, "Weight"=> 78.5)</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I seem to remember having this discussion with Kevork back in 2010!</div><div><br></div><div>Laurie</div><div><br></div><div><br><div>
<div><div><div>Laurie Savage</div><div>IT Teacher/Assessment and Reporting Coordinator</div><div>Pascoe Vale Girls College</div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br>
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><span class=""><div>On 7 Mar 2016, at 11:09 AM, Chris Bucknell <<a href="mailto:Chris.Bucknell@haileybury.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">Chris.Bucknell@haileybury.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:</div><br></span><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><a name="1329070093__MailEndCompose"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi All,<u></u><u></u></span></a></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Like Damien I don’t encourage my students to use List and Dictionaries because in they tend to confuse them and arrays when it comes to exams. So I find it simpler to avoid them and get the students to understand what’s on the study design and what they’ll be assessed on.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Cheers <u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(128,0,77)">Chris Bucknell</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(81,89,100)">Head of CDT; Coord, Internal Exam; House Tutor</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:8pt;color:rgb(81,89,100)"><a href="tel:%2B61%203%209904%206360" value="+61399046360" target="_blank">+61 3 9904 6360</a></span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:%7bemail%7d" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:8pt;color:blue">Chris.Bucknell@haileybury.vic.edu.au</span></a><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="http://www.haileybury.vic.edu.au/" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:8pt;color:blue">www.haileybury.vic.edu.au</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br><br><br></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"><span> </span><a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><span> </span>[<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>ATKINSON-BUCK, Damien<br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Monday, 7 March 2016 10:38 AM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Should I teach lists?<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi Ben,<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> Personally steer away from Lists and Dictionaries, even though they’re technically easier to use (and in at least the case of dictionaries, sometimes faster) purely because I don’t want to add any extra confusion for the students. When it comes to exams, they are likely to be asked questions about arrays. If they put in an example in list format, an exam assessor may not get that and give them zero…. Especially if you look at RemoveAt() and other list shortcuts.<span> </span><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">That’s just my overly cautious approach, quite possibly I’m underselling the students ability to discriminate the best time to use it.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Cheers<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Damien<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> 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style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">mailto:baas.benjamin.b@edumail.vic.gov.au</span></a><span lang="EN-US">]<span> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Monday, 7 March 2016 9:49 AM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>[Year 12 SofDev] Should I teach lists?<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Hi all,<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I’m contemplating whether on not I should teach my students about Lists in C# and VB as they will be of more use to them then Arrays when doing their SAT (List are dynamic and have more functionality). I just wanted to know what peoples thoughts are on this and if they go beyond the data collections mentioned in the study design. The SD just mentions Arrays and Records.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Ben.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b><span style="font-size:14pt;color:rgb(23,54,93)">Benjamin Baas<u></u><u></u></span></b></div></span><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:8pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span><image005.png></span></span><b><span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(148,138,84)"> </span></b><b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(23,54,93)">Alkira Secondary College</span></b><b><span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(23,54,93)"><u></u><u></u></span></b></div><span class=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:rgb(23,54,93)">+</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(23,54,93)"> <span> </span><b>Nurture Ave, Cranbourne North | PO Box 4314, Narre Warren South 3805</b></span><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(23,54,93)"><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:'Wingdings 2';color:rgb(23,54,93)">'</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif;color:rgb(23,54,93)"> <span> </span></span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(23,54,93)"> <a href="tel:%2B61%203%205991%203500" value="+61359913500" target="_blank">+61 3 5991 3500</a> <span> </span></span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:'Wingdings 2';color:rgb(23,54,93)">6<span> </span></span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(23,54,93)"><a href="tel:%2B61%203%205991%203599" value="+61359913599" target="_blank">+61 3 5991 3599</a> <span> </span></span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:rgb(31,73,125)">8<b><span> </span></b></span><a href="http://www.alkirasecondarycollege.com.au/" style="color:rgb(149,79,114);text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(84,141,212)">www.alkirasecondarycollege.com.au</span></b></a><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></b></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><i><span style="font-size:8pt;color:rgb(64,64,64)">Alkira Secondary College believes in<span> </span></span></i><i><span style="font-size:8pt;color:red">Personalised</span></i><i><span style="font-size:8pt;color:rgb(64,64,64)"><span> </span>learning for all, and <span> </span></span></i><i><span style="font-size:8pt;color:red">Respect</span></i><i><span style="font-size:8pt;color:rgb(64,64,64)"><span> </span>for the individual<u></u><u></u></span></i></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><p style="margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b>Important -<span> </span></b>This email and any attachments may be confidential. 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