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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Hi all,<div><br></div><div>Forgive my ignorance... but these terms 'interface layer', 'logic layer', 'data source layer' are not in the study design? So the idea of 'layers of solution' is a new one. Are SD teachers supposed to teach this - and if so - it isn't actually examinable as it's not mentioned in a KK point anywhere (unless it is inferred as being part of application architecture??) - even so - not explicitly mentioned!!</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Adrian<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: Chris.Bucknell@haileybury.vic.edu.au<br>To: sofdev@edulists.com.au<br>Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 03:24:57 +0000<br>Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Event Driven Programming<br><br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose" target="_blank"><span style="color:black;">Hi All,</span></a></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">My short answer on the use of PHP and Java as languages that can be used is YES. But I think you need to look at the language requirements in a bit more depth than what we have been
used to in the past. </span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">The new language requirements are not simply list of languages, but a description that allows us to use the appropriate languages/technologies for each layer of solution the students
will develop. So as an example, students could develop a solution that uses:</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="color:black;">HTML (with Java Script) as the “Interface Layer”</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="color:black;">PHP (as it was originally developed) for the “Logic Layer”, and</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="color:black;">Some variant of a dB (MS-SQL, MYSQL, NOSQL, …) for the “Data Source Layer”, or</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="color:black;">Follow the current application model/pattern for “Universal Apps” (if you are like me and live on the Micro$oft stack </span><a href="https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/xaml/dn726767.aspx" target="_blank"><span style="">https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/xaml/dn726767.aspx</span></a><span style="color:black;">
)</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">Of course I could also see many other application patterns using:</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="color:black;">files (text, XML, JSON, dB, web-services, …) for data storage/access,</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="color:black;">StoredProc’s, web services, etc… from dB servers as part of a solutions “Logic Layer”.</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:black;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">Lastly my read on the “no dB in the Interface Layer”, is to solve the problem of a solution just being built in “MS Access”, ”Filemaker”, etc… - i.e. Access forms and reports and a wizard
produced solution.</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">Only my two cents worth.</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:black;">Regards</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><a href="mailto:%7bemail%7d"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:8.0pt;">Chris.Bucknell@haileybury.vic.edu.au</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:black;"></span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Maria-ana Sanchez<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 17 October 2015 1:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Event Driven Programming</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal">What about Java?<br>
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On 17 Oct 2015, at 12:35, Robert Hallworth <<a href="mailto:hallworth.r@wcc.vic.edu.au">hallworth.r@wcc.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">Just looking at the VCAA on language requirements.</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">“use objects, methods and <b>event-driven programming functions</b>.”</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">PHP has been my language of choice BUT does not support “event-driven programming” .. well not easily. Does that mean I can’t use PHP?</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">What other languages are popular that satisfies this?</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">ALSO what does “Note that databases are not to be used in the interface layer.” mean?? Can I use MySQL in logic layer or NOT??</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Adobe Garamond Pro Bold";color:#365F91;">Robert K Hallworth</span></i></b></p>
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