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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">It&#8217;s an interesting thought, but from a non-expert point of view there&#8217;s a fair bit of potential peril (putting on the black De Bono hat here &#8230; ).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">The Further course is a single course with options, which the school chooses to teach but the student chooses for the exam. I&#8217;m sure everyone here who&#8217;s taught
 subjects with an option (like IT Apps&#8217; database/spreadsheet choice) has had that one kid who decided to teach themselves the other one and do that on the exam instead. They don&#8217;t have that option in the SD/Apps choice as they&#8217;re two subjects &#8211; if somewhere
 in the distant future they merged into one, with a programming/SD module and an Apps module, it might work.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">It would also be harder to convince the parents to fork out an extra 50% on parts of a book that the student doesn&#8217;t need. Parents are already dirty when the
 teacher doesn&#8217;t use every square inch of the textbook including the front and back cover.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">The idea works great for websites (like our other SD bible, Mark Kelly&#8217;s vceit.com), so that flows into the other philosophical question &#8211; when are we doing
 away with textbooks completely and going strictly online? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paragreen, Chris J<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 9 October 2015 10:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Textbook for SD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Just a stray thought &#8230;.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Is one solution to have one textbook for VCE IT that covers both Informatics and Software Development? There is a degree of overlap between the studies, and
 could be likened to Further Maths core and modules &#8230;.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Darren Scott<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 8 October 2015 3:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List &lt;<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Textbook for SD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Yep, thanks again to Adrian &#8230; though looking at the trends in numbers there could be a day when Sof Dev (1290 in 2014) overlaps IT Apps/Informatics (2500).
 We&#8217;re only running SD in the near future (decision from our school&#8217;s curriculum people). For those who don&#8217;t want to trawl through the enrolment numbers,
<a href="http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/expertise/it-crowd-shrinking-as-vce-enrolments-plummet-20140907-10dizx.html">
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/expertise/it-crowd-shrinking-as-vce-enrolments-plummet-20140907-10dizx.html</a> is an old (2014) news story that has a nice interactive graph down the bottom that you can get an idea of enrolments from. Perhaps Adrian&#8217;s time machine
 is telling him something of the future? </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">As an obligatory &#8220;take this to another subject&#8221;, for those teaching Further Maths as well &#8211; when you get to transforming data in the Core stats unit, the IPM/IT
 Apps numbers over the last 10-15 years produce an excellent model of a third-quadrant transformation for a test or SAC. We used the numbers to make a SAC a couple of years ago - we renamed the subject as VCE Basket Weaving, taught by Mrs Hugo, to protect the
 identity of the subject. As a trade-off for Computing people, the networks chapter in any Further book is great for examples to turn into Gantt charts (FM does PERT/CPM charts which you can steal and convert).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Darren Scott<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Catholic College Bendigo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Darren Scott</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Janson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 8 October 2015 2:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Edulists - Year 12 Software Development<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Textbook for SD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Hi Michael,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Yes - 100% market share is good, but having said that - it's still a close thing! That's why none of the publishers will produce a text for a small subject like SD.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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To: <a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a><br>
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 02:59:57 &#43;0000<br>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Textbook for SD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Thanks goodness for Adrian.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Cooper, Michael J<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 8 October 2015 1:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 SofDev] Textbook for SD</span><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Hi all,<br>
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I haven&#8217;t seen this mentioned on the list, I just received confirmation from&nbsp;Cengage Learning that Nelson will not be publishing a SD textbook for the new study design. We currently use their IT:A text for year 11 and 12, but are moving to SD next year.&nbsp;
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">They recommended Adrian&#8217;s book as the only text being published in this subject.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">How does 100% market share sound?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Michael Cooper<br>
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