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<div>Victoria, if you try downloading the portable Python version, you should find a nice program in there for creating the user interface. We have used it here...it's pretty good and student friendly to use.</div>
<div>Hope this helps...</div>
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On 5 Aug 2015, at 11:55 am, Victoria Farrell &lt;<a href="mailto:FarrellV@humegrammar.vic.edu.au">FarrellV@humegrammar.vic.edu.au</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Laurie Savage<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 5 August 2015 11:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">That's what I like about it! I'm not sure a GUI approach to language learning is always the right way in at this level; although I like the Scratch approach to problem solving eventually the students have to
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5 August 2015 at 09:13, Guy Flaherty &lt;<a href="mailto:Guy.Flaherty@xavier.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">Guy.Flaherty@xavier.vic.edu.au</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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 I am not teaching SD again this year but if I were I would look at using something like this and JQueryMobile (<a href="http://jquerymobile.com/" target="_blank">http://jquerymobile.com/</a>) and get the students building mobile apps for their phones.
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<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Laurie Savage<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 5 August 2015 8:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List &lt;<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] python UI</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Just wondering through what mechanism those of you using python as your language are having students build UI? Is it web or otherwise platform independent?<br>
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