<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I do believe you could perhaps add letters after your name<div><br></div><div>I hereby confer AD(companion) upon you.</div><div>You rate the halo of companion to the glorious order of associate dinosaurs as you can still remember what you did with the items under discussion.</div><div><br></div><div>I recently disposed of archived punch cards and mark sense cards from 1978 when i was at uni which I used to input my programmes into the computers.</div><div><br></div><div>(for those under 55 we used to punch all of the cards (using a terminal), take them in large boxes to the computer building, hand them over and come back 12 - 20 hours later to get our print outs.</div><div>after a couple of box drops I started to sequentially number my cards on the obverse side ...)</div><div><br></div><div>it was a lot of fun and we felt we were exploring new frontiers. I enjoyed it.</div><div>now we are exploring different new frontiers in pedagogy with 1:1, flipped learning etc.</div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<div>Maybe I didn't 'teach' with the TRS80, it was on my work desk...not a classroom desk! I was doing production planner/stock controller work! This was the first MIcro-computer I used for a wage! I did use the cyber at RMIT in the early 1980's with punched
cards during a mathematics degree!then later the VAX/VMS and DG MVS systems in the stock broking industry(various clients).</div>
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<div>I enjoying this yak(thread)!... </div>
<div>Sooo Andrew, I reckon perhaps an associate dinosaur membership then as I used these techs professionally...??</div>
<div>And I did teach others to use them too!....it's called job training!</div>
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On 23 Oct 2013, at 5:21 pm, "Robert Hind" <<a href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:00 PM</div>
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<div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#1f497d; font-size:11pt">Bring back the Apple IIe I say…..lol</span></p><div><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#1f497d; font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'; color:#1f497d; font-size:11pt">This is becoming like an old Monty python sketch…I remember when I used to get up half an hour before I went to sleep and lick the road clean with wet tongue
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Hind<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 23 October 2013 3:00 PM<br>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size:10pt">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size:10pt"> Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:27 PM</span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size:10pt">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size:10pt"> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Another brick in the software wall</span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">:: greybeard moment #1: I used a Mac where the OS was on a floppy and the wealthy had two floppy drives so the data could be stored without removing the OS disk</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">#2 I recall that at my father's work they had hard drives in a room and each was in a box 1 metre high by .9 by .9 and they EACH contained 1 Megabyte of data. Enormous (then)</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">I still mourn the loss of Oscar the Grouch singing to me when I emptied the trash on my early mac</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt; ">@acsbear8 (twitter)</span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">On 23/10/2013, at 1:46 PM, Kent Beveridge <<a href="mailto:kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au">kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:</p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size:10pt">Way back in 'pre-teacher' days for me! (had one on my desk!!!)</span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif'; font-size:10pt">Sooo, does that mean I qualify as a dinosaur???</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, 23 October 2013 1:23 PM<br>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">The end of paid operating systems? </p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">I waggle my finger at young people and explain how my 1978 TRS-80 with 4KB of RAM (yes, kilobytes, not megabytes) only had uppercase characters to save on storage. A full ASCII set is a senseless extravagance, I tell you!</p>
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