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<p>Although I didnt attend the Conference, it seems that the iPAD is becoming an overwhelming presence among us!</p>
<p>I concurr with your comments Andrew.</p>
<p>They accurately reflect what is occuring in my school and indeed, also the pathway I am presently developing here at school. Its good to know I am on the same track as it seems many others are too!</p>
<p>Nice to know the idea/concept I had in my head 6 months ago is now coming to the fore....</p>
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<p>I will look into those other Apps development sites mentioned in your email.</p>
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<p>Kent.</p>
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<div style="DIRECTION: ltr" id="divRpF742600"><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au] on behalf of Andrew Shortell [shortell@get2me.net]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 26 May 2012 10:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] App development<br>
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<div>hi Kevork and all
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<div>Mobile OS ? Because I am in an iPad community I am in favour of iOS --> Last year at Swinburne I did an android OS half day and it was good (scratch like interface)</div>
<div>If you make separate ones then I will go with both</div>
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<div>Today at ICTEV conf the "killer Phrase" for me was 1:1 Self directed learning both at school and out of school</div>
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<div>effectively it is all about students learning and teachers learning - not teachers being oracles. There was a lot today about peer tutoring (teachers ->teachers, students - > students and students to teachers)</div>
<div>Who controls what we learn, what students learn --> the learners. we can try to control what we tell them but with 1:1 they can control what they learn, when they learn and why they learn.</div>
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<div>So with iOS (& Android) we can help them to learn how to make apps that they can use to help others learn and help others with learning.</div>
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<div>With Unity they can make games etc that they can export to iOS, Android and web base apps</div>
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<div>Today I saw a web base app system , online systems to build simple apps and they are easy</div>
<div>e.g. <a href="http://ibuildapp.com" target="_blank">ibuildapp.com</a>, <a href="http://www.buzztouch.com" target="_blank">www.buzztouch.com</a> and others</div>
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<div>Apparently there is also red foundry .com - uses code pieces to create apps, </div>
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<div>I am also excited about xcode but.... (if you have looked at coding in Unity it is not simple but yr 7 students apparently can use the jigsaw approach)</div>
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<div>This year NONE of my VCE students have printed in the classroom. They have iPads, can pdf stuff, upload to dropbox, share it with me, </div>
<div>the old fashioned ones even email me sometimes.</div>
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<div>They have insisted on a facebook page (because they are used to it --> I Use email to keep up with the facebook)</div>
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<div>People want to learn --> let's help them to do it and help them to extend them selves and hopefully they will carry us along with them.</div>
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<div>Andrew</div>
<div>(still buzzing form the conference)</div>
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<div>Andrew Shortell</div>
<div>CRC Melton</div>
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<div>On 26/05/2012, at 6:34 PM, Kevork Krozian wrote:</div>
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<div>Hi again Trav,<br>
<br>
I think all our efforts to bring xcode to students will be worthwhile.<br>
I don't mean to favour one platform over another but to relay some<br>
experiences. <br>
<br>
I am about to get a separate IOS on line community ( mailing list ) set up<br>
to start building our obviously huge interest and passion for mobile<br>
technologies. <br>
I had a colleague ask me 3 years ago what I thought elearning would look<br>
like in the near future and my response was " interactive digital mobile<br>
learning". <br>
This will be true of all learning inevitably. To be clear, we are looking<br>
at the use of these technologies, but influencing/creating the content that<br>
is built on/in/with them.<br>
<br>
My students in Yr 12 don't really understand what paper is anymore. Only<br>
under extreme duress do they draw a UCD or DFD on paper and then capture an<br>
image to put into their documents.<br>
Most want to simply use gliffy or other software package and feel it is a<br>
natural part of the learning to master this tool to then answer questions<br>
about an SRS or sample SAC or learning activity.<br>
<br>
I am about to get a separate IOS on line community ( mailing list )<br>
happening to start building our obviously huge interest and passion for<br>
mobile technologies. <br>
At this stage which communities ( forums, mailing lists ) do people think we<br>
need ?<br>
<br>
1. iphone, ipad or just IOS ?<br>
2. Android ?<br>
3. Windows Phone ?<br>
4. Games for learning with mobile apps ?<br>
5. Mobile learning ?<br>
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<br>
Others ??<br>
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Kind Regards <br>
<br>
Kevork Krozian<br>
Edulists Creator Administrator<br>
<a href="http://www.edulists.com.au" target="_blank">www.edulists.com.au</a><br>
tel: 0419 356 034<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]<br>
On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian<br>
Sent: Saturday, 26 May 2012 1:36 PM<br>
To: 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'<br>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] App development Sorry for the x-posts!)<br>
<br>
Hi Trav,<br>
<br>
Yes, the investment is not lost on me. I just hope xcode is not a negative<br>
experience for teachers and students due to its difficulties.<br>
I say this because I have taught XNA/Visual C# to Yr 9 and 10 for more than<br>
3 years and most struggled. <br>
<br>
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<br>
Keep well <br>
<br>
Kevork Krozian<br>
Edulists Creator Administrator<br>
www.edulists.com.au<br>
tel: 0419 356 034<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]<br>
On Behalf Of Travis Parker<br>
Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:57 AM<br>
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] App development Sorry for the x-posts!)<br>
<br>
Kevork,<br>
<br>
The thing with Adrian (And myself) is that our schools have invested a large<br>
amount of time and money into iPad programs and I checked out appinventor<br>
and it seems that they only export to android devices?<br>
<br>
There seems to be a text on "App inventing for iPhones" by Graeme Summers<br>
that I am ordering (Thanks Adrian) and a few of us are trying to organise a<br>
new year 10 iOS app development course. If anyone is interested please speak<br>
up!<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
Trav<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au<br>
[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian<br>
Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:14 AM<br>
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] App development Sorry for the x-posts!)<br>
<br>
Hi Adrian,<br>
<br>
This is all very useful to all of our colleagues.<br>
<br>
I recently completed an Android app writing PD at Swinburne Uni Hawthorn<br>
using appinventor ( see appinventor.org ) and found it very powerful and<br>
effortless in transferring to a phone or sharing with other phones. For<br>
those who don't have a phone an emulator will still allow testing of the app<br>
on Mac or PC. The resources (software, textbooks, completed apps ) are free<br>
online. The programming environment is a "scratch" type with no actual<br>
coding but a GUI to connect objects, add methods, change properties and<br>
parameters. This would translate to a Yr 8 to 10 course so much more easily<br>
than say writing code in XNA or in Objective C I feel.<br>
<br>
There are sections on using multi dimensional arrays, saving to a database<br>
and much more. Is it starting to look like it could slot into Software<br>
Development as a language ? Of course the coding would have to be done in<br>
Java for it to be acceptable. There are efforts to provide a java view of<br>
the Appinventor GUI see http://www.appinventor.org/roadmap<br>
but that would need to be clarified for Units 3 and 4 Software Development<br>
purposes.<br>
<br>
An equally useful discussion would be to compare the competing app<br>
writing and programming options. eg. Cost of registering as a devloper ?<br>
How much will students understand when writing code in a language like<br>
Objective C or C# for that matter ?<br>
<br>
One of the most useful apps in this series I worked on was "Find my car"<br>
which allows recording of the current location using the GPS feature in the<br>
phone and then after moving to another location requesting a map showing how<br>
to find the car again. This interfaced with a voice feature where<br>
instructions are announced on how to find your way back to the car or if<br>
they are in the same spot, the family members you may have lost ......<br>
<br>
All very exciting ...<br>
<br>
Keep well<br>
<br>
Kevork<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Hi Travis,<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Apologies for the previous email - I have just transitioned to a new
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<blockquote type="cite">notebook and I had not set up my email signature yet!<br>
</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">I also hope I didn't get your hopes up! - basically what I wanted to
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<blockquote type="cite">say is that I have been teaching myself x-code / objective c this year<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">and also plan to run an iPhone / iPad dev course in 2013 - I would
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">love to collaborate on something if you are interested?<br>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Cheers,<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Adrian<br>
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</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">Adrian Janson B.Sc, Dip.Ed, M.Ed<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">eLearning Coordinator<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Melbourne High School, Forrest Hill, South Yarra, Victoria 3141<br>
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Australia.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Phone: 03 9826 0711 International: +61 3 9826 0711<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Fax: 03 9826 8767 International: +61 3 9826 8767<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">E-mail: janson.adrian.a@edumail.vic.gov.au<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Website: http://www.mhs.vic.edu.au<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Blog: http://jansona.edublogs.org<br>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">From: sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Behalf Of Travis Parker<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Sent: Monday, 21 May 2012 1:56 PM<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] App development Sorry for the x-posts!)<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Dear All,<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Now that we have about 2250 iPads floating around the college, I was
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">thinking of implementing an "App Development" course at year 10 next
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">year that will run for a semester. We have also got a lab of 30 iMacs
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">and was going to use them to create iPad apps (Using XCode???). I was<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">wondering whether anyone does anything similar to this currently, or
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">has any ideas on what to include. I'd be happy to share and compare
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">notes and experiences with any interested parties.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Cheers<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Trav<br>
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