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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I will be throwing my hat (mostly) onto the Android Platform.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I do feel strongly that we should all be developing Units/Courses in IT aimed at mobile technologies, iOS and Android.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Why Android for me?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D">I don’t have any background in Apple/iOS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D">More customisable devices, more Open platform<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D">Android devices are cheaper (Kogan 10” tablet $179 announced this week)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D">From what I have seen, better options for teaching – by better I mean easier – most of the iOS options are beyond my skill set<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D">Teaching resources and materials being developed for education (see attachments)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D">My own (limited) background is in Visual Basic, which we use in Software Development VCE. There is a clear progression for me from Scratch, to App Inventor, to
<a href="http://www.basic4ppc.com/">Basic4Android</a> to VB<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I’m sure that other teachers/schools will favour iOS as their development platform, but Android seems to be a better choice for me at the moment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The files I have attached are from
</span><a href="http://www.computingatschool.org.uk/">http://www.computingatschool.org.uk/</a>
<span style="color:#1F497D">The URL says it all. I stumbled upon it this afternoon while looking for info on Raspberry Pi …. But that’s another story<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Calum<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kevork KROZIAN<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 28 May 2012 12:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] iOS/Android Dev<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi James,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> This is great to allow students access to creating an app as you say in 20 mins.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The issue for us as IT teachers is at what level do we regard a GUI type of app creation as a skill set as opposed to coding or a combination of coding and GUI ?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> What are the transferable skills we are trying to teach ? where does it fit ? Yr 7 ? 8 ? 12 ?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Which vels standards or VCE IT key knowledge/ skills does it map to ? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Back to the HTML in notepad vs wisiwyg discussion/argument. ???<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would like to see a combination of these tools and coding. Eg. App inventor has a great interface for Android app creation, and in addition there is work towards creating an interface to show the java code generated by the block building
actions on the GUI.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> I can see a storm brewing .......<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 28/05/2012, at 9:56 AM, "Vella, James" <<a href="mailto:jvella@mackillop.vic.edu.au">jvella@mackillop.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><a name="_MailEndCompose">Hi everyone</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><a href="http://www.ibuildapp.com">www.ibuildapp.com</a> allows you to create free web apps for use with iPod/iPad/iPhone…and these basic apps can be created in no more than around 20 mins.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">I won’t take the credit for it though because it was pointed out to me at ICTEV2012 on Saturday by a young chap by the name of Jarrod Robinson along with a number of other free and easy to use app builders.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">There’s no programming involved what so ever…<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b> </b><b><span style="font-size:15.0pt;color:#C00000">Mr James Vella</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:green">Associate Head of Technology - ICT</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:green">MacKillop College</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<i><u><span style="color:blue">jvella</span></u></i></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a href="mailto:s@mackillop.vic.edu.au" title="mailto:snoonan@mackillop.vic.edu.au"><i><span lang="FR" style="font-size:7.5pt">@mackillop.vic.edu.au</span></i></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<i><span lang="FR" style="font-size:7.5pt">phone: +61-3-87345200</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<i><span lang="FR" style="font-size:7.5pt">mail: PO Box 522, Werribee VIC 3030</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></i><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt">web: </span></i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a href="http://www.mackillop.vic.edu.au/" target="_blank" title="http://www.mackillop.vic.edu.au/"><i><span style="font-size:7.5pt">www.mackillop.vic.edu.au</span></i></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Subject: sofdev Digest, Vol 86, Issue 74</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> 1. Re: iOS online community is up and running (Kevork Krozian)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 08:43:31 +1000<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">From: "Kevork Krozian" <<a href="mailto:kevork@edulists.com.au">kevork@edulists.com.au</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] iOS online community is up and running<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: "'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">tel: 0419 356 034<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">From: <a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">On Behalf Of Andrew Shortell<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: Saturday, 26 May 2012 10:28 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] App development<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">hi Kevork and all<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Mobile OS ? Because I am in an iPad community I am in favour of iOS --> Last year at Swinburne I did an android OS half day and it was good (scratch like interface)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">If you make separate ones then I will go with both<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Today at ICTEV conf the "killer Phrase" for me was 1:1 Self directed learning both at school and out of school<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">effectively it is all about students learning and teachers learning - not teachers being oracles. There was a lot today about peer tutoring (teachers<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">->teachers, students - > students and students to teachers)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Who controls what we learn, what students learn --> the learners. we can try to control what we tell them but with 1:1 they can control what they learn, when they learn and why they learn.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">So with iOS (& Android) we can help them to learn how to make apps that they can use to help others learn and help others with learning.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">With Unity they can make games etc that they can export to iOS, Android and web base apps<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Today I saw a web base app system , online systems to build simple apps and they are easy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">e.g. <a href="http://ibuildapp.com">ibuildapp.com</a>, <a href="http://www.buzztouch.com">
<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">www.buzztouch.com</span></a> and others<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Apparently there is also red foundry .com - uses code pieces to create apps,
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<p class="MsoPlainText">I am also excited about xcode but.... (if you have looked at coding in Unity it is not simple but yr 7 students apparently can use the jigsaw<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">This year NONE of my VCE students have printed in the classroom. They have iPads, can pdf stuff, upload to dropbox, share it with me,
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<p class="MsoPlainText">the old fashioned ones even email me sometimes.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">They have insisted on a facebook page (because they are used to it --> I Use email to keep up with the facebook)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">People want to learn --> let's help them to do it and help them to extend them selves and hopefully they will carry us along with them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Andrew<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">(still buzzing form the conference)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Andrew Shortell<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">CRC Melton<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">On 26/05/2012, at 6:34 PM, Kevork Krozian wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Hi again Trav,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> I think all our efforts to bring xcode to students will be worthwhile.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I don't mean to favour one platform over another but to relay some experiences.
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<p class="MsoPlainText">I am about to get a separate IOS on line community ( mailing list ) set up to start building our obviously huge interest and passion for mobile technologies.
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<p class="MsoPlainText">I had a colleague ask me 3 years ago what I thought elearning would look like in the near future and my response was " interactive digital mobile learning".
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<p class="MsoPlainText">This will be true of all learning inevitably. To be clear, we are looking at the use of these technologies, but influencing/creating the content that is built on/in/with them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">My students in Yr 12 don't really understand what paper is anymore. Only under extreme duress do they draw a UCD or DFD on paper and then capture an image to put into their documents.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Most want to simply use gliffy or other software package and feel it is a natural part of the learning to master this tool to then answer questions about an SRS or sample SAC or learning activity.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">I am about to get a separate IOS on line community ( mailing list ) happening to start building our obviously huge interest and passion for mobile technologies.
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<p class="MsoPlainText">At this stage which communities ( forums, mailing lists ) do people think we need ?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">1. iphone, ipad or just IOS ?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">2. Android ?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">3. Windows Phone ?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">4. Games for learning with mobile apps ?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">5. Mobile learning ?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Others ??<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Kind Regards <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Kevork Krozian<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">tel: 0419 356 034<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">From: <a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
<a href="mailto:[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]">[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: Saturday, 26 May 2012 1:36 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] App development Sorry for the x-posts!)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Hi Trav,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Yes, the investment is not lost on me. I just hope xcode is not a negative experience for teachers and students due to its difficulties.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I say this because I have taught XNA/Visual C# to Yr 9 and 10 for more than<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">3 years and most struggled. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Keep well <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Kevork Krozian<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Edulists Creator Administrator<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">tel: 0419 356 034<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">From: <a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
<a href="mailto:[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]">[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">On Behalf Of Travis Parker<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:57 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] App development Sorry for the x-posts!)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Kevork,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">The thing with Adrian (And myself) is that our schools have invested a large amount of time and money into iPad programs and I checked out appinventor and it seems that they only export to android devices?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">There seems to be a text on "App inventing for iPhones" by Graeme Summers that I am ordering (Thanks Adrian) and a few of us are trying to organise a new year 10 iOS app development course. If anyone is interested please speak up!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Trav<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><a href="mailto:[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]">[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a> On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:14 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] App development Sorry for the x-posts!)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Hi Adrian,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> This is all very useful to all of our colleagues.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">I recently completed an Android app writing PD at Swinburne Uni Hawthorn using appinventor ( see
<a href="http://appinventor.org">appinventor.org</a> ) and found it very powerful and effortless in transferring to a phone or sharing with other phones. For those who don't have a phone an emulator will still allow testing of the app on Mac or PC. The resources
(software, textbooks, completed apps ) are free online. The programming environment is a "scratch" type with no actual coding but a GUI to connect objects, add methods, change properties and parameters. This would translate to a Yr 8 to 10 course so much more
easily than say writing code in XNA or in Objective C I feel.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">There are sections on using multi dimensional arrays, saving to a database and much more. Is it starting to look like it could slot into Software Development as a language ? Of course the coding would have to be done in Java for it to
be acceptable. There are efforts to provide a java view of the Appinventor GUI see
<a href="http://www.appinventor.org/roadmap"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">http://www.appinventor.org/roadmap</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">but that would need to be clarified for Units 3 and 4 Software Development purposes.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> An equally useful discussion would be to compare the competing app writing and programming options. eg. Cost of registering as a devloper ?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">How much will students understand when writing code in a language like Objective C or C# for that matter ?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> One of the most useful apps in this series I worked on was "Find my car"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">which allows recording of the current location using the GPS feature in the phone and then after moving to another location requesting a map showing how to find the car again. This interfaced with a voice feature where instructions are
announced on how to find your way back to the car or if they are in the same spot, the family members you may have lost ......<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> All very exciting ...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Keep well<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Kevork<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Apologies for the previous email - I have just transitioned to a new
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<p class="MsoPlainText">notebook and I had not set up my email signature yet!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">I also hope I didn't get your hopes up! - basically what I wanted to
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<p class="MsoPlainText">say is that I have been teaching myself x-code / objective c this year<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">and also plan to run an iPhone / iPad dev course in 2013 - I would
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<p class="MsoPlainText">love to collaborate on something if you are interested?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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