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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=849215423-16092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Adrian and other,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=849215423-16092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>This is also similar to the issue raised last night on a
current affair (I think) about the Product disclosure statements that come with
car insurance.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=849215423-16092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>How many of us have actually read it word for word. I
wonder the the US case can be adapted to Aus law.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=849215423-16092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=849215423-16092008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>it seems only lawyers don't follow the KISS
principle. (Sorry to all lawyers)</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Adrian
Janson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 17 September 2008 9:34 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Year
12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Year 12
SofDev] Adrian's SAC 401- Legal Advice<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Hi
Russell,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">One
of the reasons that I included the bit about the lengthy licence agreement is
that it has been shown (and I am not sure of how to prove this…) but lengthy
licence agreements like this don’t hold any weight in a court of law as they are
highly unethical. Now – I know that unethical and illegal and two
different things (and this is what makes a good discussion point), but there was
a legal case where a court in the US ruled that it was unreasonable for the user
to be expected to read such as lengthy agreement and then ruled in the favour of
the user.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Someone
might have some good links for this?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">As
for the camera footage – not sure about this one, but it is certainly
unethical.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Consolas">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Consolas">Adrian<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Consolas"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Consolas">Adrian Janson,
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Consolas">VITTA
President<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Consolas">Director of
ICT, <o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Consolas">Melbourne High
School, <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Consolas">Forrest Hill,
South Yarra 3141 Australia.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Consolas">Phone: 03 9826
0711 International: +61 3 9826 0711<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Consolas">Fax: 03 9826
8767 International: +61 3 9826 8767<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Consolas">E-mail: <A
href="mailto:janson.adrian.a@edumail.vic.gov.au"><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">janson.adrian.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</SPAN></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Consolas">Website: <A
href="http://www.mhs.vic.edu.au"><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">http://www.mhs.vic.edu.au</SPAN></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: Consolas">Blog: <A
href="http://jansona.edublogs.org/"><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">http://jansona.edublogs.org</SPAN></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Russell Quinn<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 17 September 2008 9:14
AM<BR><B>To:</B> sofdev@edulists.com.au<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Year 12 SofDev]
Adrian's SAC 401- Legal Advice<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Hi
all,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
I am having trouble working out<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">If The Web Cam
activation is actually illegal. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Would the output
constitute an employee record<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">and is agreeing upon
logon binding – given the<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">shifty way it was
implemented?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">TIA<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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