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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This is a potentially tricky issue – and as one who often
posts his SAC and theory materials to the lists – one that I must confess
is a bit of a concern.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Speaking personally, when I post my materials to the lists –
I would like to think that those who are making use of them do so in the spirit
in which they have been posted – giving credit where it is due and not
altering things with a view to reposting them. I think the part of this
that is the most worrying is that some material did find its way back to me
which I had originally authored and posted to the lists – but with
another teachers name on it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It may well just need to be the case that when we post materials
to the lists, we need to state (in the document as well as in the attached
email), that the materials are free to use but may not be adapted or changed in
any way without the permission of the author…. As I put the finishing
touches on my 2008 SAC1 – I may well do this before I post it to the
list? I would be interested to know what others think of this?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>On another note – something which has been bothering me a
great deal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>After the review process took place last year and schools had
the SACs and Assessments checked by VCAA – it became apparent that a
large number of the sampled schools had used my SACs (more than half). Of
the remaining schools, many had used the VITTA SACs. After posting the
SACs to the lists, I had many requests for solutions which I tried to provide
as best I could. I don’t mind doing this – however, I think
this seems to suggest that there are few SD teachers creating their own
original materials and/or solutions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Now – I don’t mind doing the work and posting it for
everyone to use. I think doing this is especially valuable to those
starting out with the SD course or with programming in general. However,
if you are familiar with the SD course – I think that you could be doing
your own students a disservice by not writing your own materials and solutions
(and hence becoming more familiar with the assessment criteria and the
structure of the course). In such a circumstance, I think it would be
more appropriate for you to use my SAC materials (or any others that are posted)
for practice SAC materials and / or inspiration for your own. There is no
way I can prevent teachers from simply using my own (or others) work as a
method of minimising their own workload – however, I would implore those engaging
in this practice to think of the bigger picture.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Adrian Janson<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>VITTA President<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Director of ICT, Melbourne High School<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Poultney, Gordon A<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 5 March 2008 12:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>We are talking about a 2 page SAC here, not the latest from Neal
Stephenson... </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Feel free to do what you want with Shagadelic - just don't put my
name on it if you change it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>If
you believe in copyright/credit , then Ross' simple attribution scheme looks
good.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>gordon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div id=idSignature82829><pre>----------------<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Gordon Poultney<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Horsham College<o:p></o:p></pre></div>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of
Stephen Digby<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wed 5/3/08 11:31<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>What about a simpler attribution such as<br>
<br>
Freds Carpet House v6 "Based on SAC by Mark Kelly 2007. Alterations by<br>
Stephen Digby 2008, Gordon Poultney 2008"<br>
<br>
Just as the ridiculous copyright laws reduce the likelihood of attribution<br>
(less likely to get caught for copyright violation if you remove all info<br>
re. source).<br>
<br>
A overly complex attribution process may reduce the likelihood of sharing.<br>
<br>
As it is, most resources that I have are not able to be shared because of<br>
copyright (i.e. they are not mine to share)<br>
<br>
Lets develop a 'creative common' approach to as much materials as<br>
possible....<br>
<br>
====================================================<br>
Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager<br>
mailto: digby.stephen.p@edumail.vic.gov.au <br>
Cheltenham Secondary College www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au<br>
Ph: 613 955 55 955 Fx: 9555 8617 Mb: 0431-701-028<br>
====================================================<br>
<br>
I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat. Winston<br>
Churchill<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [<a
href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]<br>
On Behalf Of Mark Kelly<br>
Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2008 10:15 AM<br>
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List; Year 12 IT<br>
Applications Teachers' Mailing List; Year 11 Information Technology<br>
Teachers' Mailing List<br>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College<br>
<br>
(I've X-posted to the ITA and year 11 IT lists. Apols in advance.)<br>
<br>
I see an interesting and potentially worrying point developing here.<br>
<br>
If we adapt other people's tasks, I think we are obliged to retain the<br>
version information contained in the task and note ourselves as modifiers<br>
and let that info stay with the document in its further travels.<br>
<br>
I know I would be horrified if a task I created was later 'improved' by some<br>
anonymous person, thereby damaging it or (even worse) rendering it a<br>
violation of VCAA rules - with my name still proudly stuck on it as if I<br>
were solely responsible for its current condition!<br>
<br>
When we distribute 'adapted' tasks, I recommend that we:<br>
<br>
1. Of course, retain the original author's identity and document version<br>
number, if they are in the document. Give the poor authors credit for
their<br>
labours!<br>
<br>
2. Add yourself to the credits as a 'modifier'.<br>
<br>
3. Maybe even summarise your changes (and reasons?) in an addendum at the<br>
end of the document. This addendum can be removed for printing purposes
by<br>
people who use it later, but it otherwise travels with the document as it<br>
morphs through the ether.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
<br>
Poultney, Gordon A wrote:<br>
> i made up the original 'Shagadelic' which sounds like it has
morphed<br>
into something else. There is only 1 network diagram in the original - for<br>
the new system .there is/was a marking scheme and complete network diagram<br>
for the teacher too.<br>
> cheers Gordon<br>
><br>
> ----------------<br>
> Gordon Poultney<br>
> Horsham College<br>
><br>
> ________________________________<br>
><br>
> From: sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Maggie Iaquinto<br>
> Sent: Wed 5/3/08 9:14<br>
> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Ross<br>
><br>
> Ross<br>
><br>
> If you were using this practice SAC as the actual one, it would be<br>
> difficult to separate the marks for Task 1 (systems analysis and<br>
> design<br>
> - mistakenly called Task 2 here) from Task 2 (network diagram). You<br>
> are required to report the marks for the tasks clearly and discretely.<br>
><br>
> Task 1 is 40 marks and Task 2 is 10 marks -- based on 50 for the<br>
> Outcome.<br>
> In the assessment sheet nearly 25 marks of the 50 are devoted to the<br>
> network diagram. This makes it tough to report accurately to VCAA just<br>
> what your students have received, in terms of the balance of 40/10.<br>
><br>
> Task 2 (network diagram) must be for the proposed new system and this<br>
> document requires the student to diagram the current and the new.<br>
> Sure, you can do that but it isn't necessary.<br>
><br>
> I notice also that there are marks given to presentation of the report.<br>
> IMHO I would put those marks into a more finely-grained assessment of<br>
> all the other Key Skills required in this Outcome.<br>
><br>
> Just an opinion.<br>
><br>
> Maggie<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au<br>
> [<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
On Behalf Of Mark Kelly<br>
> Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2008 8:36 AM<br>
> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: Ross from Sunbury College<br>
><br>
> If the task extended across the holidays, make sure the remaining part<br>
> is not given to them beforehand so they can't pre-produce stuff.<br>
><br>
> Claudia Graham wrote:<br>
>> Hi Ross,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Re the practice SAC not sure who's that is so can't help there<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Regarding the use of the internet not something I have done or would<br>
> do,<br>
>> for me it would be too hard to 'patrol'. But as long as all students<br>
>> have the same conditions it doesn't matter (mind you I don't have a<br>
>> study design or assessment hand book beside me to check re<br>
>> conditions)<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Same for the time frame, I assume you mean a lesson or two prior to<br>
> the<br>
>> holidays and then some after (or similar), not something I would do<br>
> just<br>
>> for authentication purposes. I would do it all in a few lessons; I<br>
> don't<br>
>> even like weekends between assessment lessons if I can help it.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Claudia Graham<br>
>><br>
>> Overnewton College<br>
>><br>
>> Keilor<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> --<br>
>> *From:* sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au<br>
>> [<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
*On Behalf Of *Ogilvie, Ross<br>
>> A<br>
>> *Sent:* 4 March 2008 7:50 PM<br>
>> *To:* sofdev@edulists.com.au<br>
>> *Subject:* Ross from Sunbury College<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Hi all,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> In regard to SD I have a couple of questions.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> 1. I have given my class a **Practice SAC** called **Shagadelic<br>
>> Carpets** (refer to attachment) (hope the author is OK with
this).<br>
>> My<br>
><br>
>> question is....does anyone have the solutions so I can check if I am<br>
> on<br>
>> the right track.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> 2. When I give my students the actual SAC:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> i. Can/should they access the internet.<br>
>><br>
>> ii. Would there be a problem (in Vic) if the SAC extended
through<br>
> the<br>
>> Term One holiday period into Term Two.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Kindest Regards<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> **Ross Ogilvie **<br>
>><br>
>> **LSF ICT Leader **<br>
>><br>
>> **Sunbury**** College**<br>
>><br>
>> **30 Racecourse Rd****, Sunbury 3429**<br>
>><br>
>> **Ph (W) 9744 1066 **<br>
>><br>
>> ** (H) 54272843**<br>
>><br>
>> **Bookmarks: <a href="http://del.icio.us/Ross1956**">http://del.icio.us/Ross1956**</a><br>
>><br>
>> **Wiki: <a href="http://ross1956.wikispaces.com/**">http://ross1956.wikispaces.com/**</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> --<br>
>> *From:* sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of<br>
>> sofdev-request@edulists.com.au<br>
>> *Sent:* Tue 4/03/2008 12:00 PM<br>
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>> Message: 1<br>
>> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 08:27:07 +1100<br>
>> From: Mark Kelly <kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au><br>
>> Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Algorithms, Netflix, Data mining<br>
>> To: "Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List"<br>
>>
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>><br>
>> In October 2006, Netflix announced it would give a cool seven figures<br>
> to<br>
>> whoever created a movie-recommending algorithm 10 percent better than<br>
>> its own. Within two weeks, the DVD rental company had received 169<br>
>> submissions, including three that were slightly superior to<br>
>> Cinematch, Netflix's recommendation software. After a month, more<br>
>> than a thousand programs had been entered, and the top scorers were<br>
>> almost halfway to the goal.<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/magazine/16-03/mf_netflix">http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/magazine/16-03/mf_netflix</a><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Mark Kelly<br>
>> Manager - Information Systems<br>
>> McKinnon Secondary College<br>
>> McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia Direct line /<br>
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