[Year 12 SofDev] Software Development position available

Sun Jul 31 22:53:50 UTC 2022

Good idea Andrew. A couple on the list here are on the committee planning the event out. Love to have your input so I will put you in touch and others who contacted me directly :-)

Fair point, tertiary sector could only been only a trickle feed with suitable M.Teach graduates putting their name forward as a method subject. It’s been a horrid decade and still sad to see the decline and reported woe for computing teachers across all the states in Oz (sigh)

Regards Roland

On 29 Jul 2022, at 10:46 am, Adrian Janson <janson.adrian.a at gmail.com<mailto:janson.adrian.a at gmail.com>> wrote:

yes - I agree with all these sentiments BUT.....

(and side note - you all need to watch Moneyball)!

I don't think we are nailing what the problem is here. Yes absolutely more skilled / trained IT teachers would be great - but the reality is that this is not happening.

Instead - we need to address what we are faced with. Roland - I'm happy to convene a panel at the conference on this?

Cheers,
Adrian

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 9:54 AM Roland Gesthuizen <Roland.Gesthuizen at education.vic.gov.au<mailto:Roland.Gesthuizen at education.vic.gov.au>> wrote:
Thanks Andrew, there are method subjects that explicitly teaches this at Univeristy (and a friendly shout out to my former PST who are now teaching :-)

An increasing majority of teachers of Physics and Applied Computing schools are now teaching “out-of-field" and whilst they do a remarkable job, their situation is not going to improve.

Like others, I suspect the dismantling and diminishing of teaching digitech across the middle school years has also been unhelpful. Nothing good ever comes from diminishing or removing teacher agency. It’s hard to beat a skilled method teacher like you to to command good practice as you have done here with your red pen to underline what teachers should be able to do in order to teach our subject well. I salute your experience.

There is a prof at Monash Uni who is doing some interesting research in this space and noted some interesting findings. Could be a good keynote or guest speaker at the DLTV VCE conference later this year. (Hmmmm, I might pass this onto Kev)

Regards Roland

On 28 Jul 2022, at 7:48 pm, Andrew Shortell <shortell at get2me.net<mailto:shortell at get2me.net>> wrote:

Hi All
Even though I am busy fading into the sunset this email chain is attractive (in the nicest way)

When we (YOU) look at up-skilling teachers…
•first they need to learn to code
•THEN they need to learn to teach coding
•AND they need to learn how to debug students’ code

each of those is VERY important

I used to teach ( "facilitate learning experiences in a student centred harmonious learning environment” )
and I am happy to share some of the tasks I used to build student skills

Most of my ideas centred around : build a core and add to it and then add functionality and then reflect on the interface and the modules
Most of my things revolved around  middle out planning.
Students SEEMED to follow the logic of honing in on core functionality and then planning and creating the bits necessary to achieve those functional requirements

Real programmers plan everything before they even write an algorithm - students need to learn what programming is before they can program
It has always been my mantra that people (students) learn best by doing, reflecting (HA HA) and then applying forward.

If a large think tank is convened I am happy to contribute before dementia sets in

Andrew Shortell

( gone, yes, forgotten - most likely)

On 28 Jul 2022, at 1:14 pm, Adrian Janson <janson.adrian.a at gmail.com<mailto:janson.adrian.a at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

I 100% support Vic's suggestion here.

Reflecting on the current state of teacher employment, we recently advertised and receive 0 applicants. ZERO. I think academia is doing the best it can, but we need to think about this problem a different way. (I'm tempted to quote Einstein here, but you all know the quote!!). Looking forward, a BETTER solution would be to look to the teachers we have and work upskilling them to deliver our APC courses.

Phil - perhaps you could convene a think tank around this?

Cheers,
Adrian

On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 12:58 PM Victoria Farrell <farrellv at stkevins.vic.edu.au<mailto:farrellv at stkevins.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
I would be keen to run some teacher training courses to upskill staff to teach Software. I am doing this at Parade College while I support their VCE class one day a week.

I think that would be a pro-active option for the long term to offer assistance to upskill teaching staff around Victoria. I have plenty of resources I am happy to share too, including a VB coding resource I have written. Coding is the main hurdle teachers have with teaching SD.

Thoughts?

 [https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4z8sI9MYMFjbXtzxdKhgpK4dCGcMzYQJo2eZHOb4IvYvWlyt1G3gTS3fQpX8T5d71cGcqqyMjM]

Victoria Farrell
Head of Technology Department

St Kevin's College
P 03 9832 4980

E farrellv at stkevins.vic.edu.au<mailto:farrellv at stkevins.vic.edu.au>

vicfarrell.com.au<https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vicfarrell.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Croland.gesthuizen%40education.vic.gov.au%7Cdc4c4bb9dce947d1659808da70fbdd1a%7Cd96cb3371a8744cfb69b3cec334a4c1f%7C0%7C0%7C637948734854795616%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=6pGivwxlBS4Z%2BN76XMuNJepZq5NqP9VBFv8zFiJjryY%3D&reserved=0>
Computer Club<https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.skc3.club%2F&data=05%7C01%7Croland.gesthuizen%40education.vic.gov.au%7Cdc4c4bb9dce947d1659808da70fbdd1a%7Cd96cb3371a8744cfb69b3cec334a4c1f%7C0%7C0%7C637948734854795616%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Y0bVX3gLYfKMMRIbIo1D5wlBcSIsF2tw8JgRqLt99R4%3D&reserved=0>

On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 at 12:29, Philip Feain <Philip.Feain at education.vic.gov.au<mailto:Philip.Feain at education.vic.gov.au>> wrote:
Dear All

Sorry about the cross-list posting here.

I have been asked by a major school (not far from the city and bay) if there are any Software Development teachers who would be available to cover their class after their teaching has become unavailable.

This would be for the rest of the year.

They are happy to discuss how this could be done understanding that teachers would be full-time in their current school.

If you are interested and think you could be able to help them out please let me know via my work email or phone. Don’t reply through the lists.

Kind Regards

Phil.

Phil Feain | Curriculum Manager, Digital Technologies
Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority
Level 32, Casselden
2 Lonsdale Street
Melbourne VIC 3000
T: 03 9059 5146 | 0428 329 759
E: Philip.Feain at education.vic.gov.au<mailto:Philip.Feain at education.vic.gov.au>
<image001.jpg>
The Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority provides high quality curriculum, assessment and reporting that promotes individual lifelong learning.
P Please consider the environment before printing this email

IMPORTANT - This email and any attachments may be confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any affected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender, and not necessarily those of the Department of Education and Training.
_______________________________________________
http://www.edulists.com.au<https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.edulists.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Croland.gesthuizen%40education.vic.gov.au%7Cdc4c4bb9dce947d1659808da70fbdd1a%7Cd96cb3371a8744cfb69b3cec334a4c1f%7C0%7C0%7C637948734854795616%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=O5%2BufLRKU%2Bj4WpC1O8U84QsGJzBm46TJawvVCx4wRL4%3D&reserved=0> - FAQ, Subscribe, Unsubscribe
IT Software Development Mailing List

This email message does not represent the view of St Kevins College, is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information that may be confidential and/or copyright. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender by reply email and immediately delete this email. Use, disclosure or reproduction of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. No representation is made that this email or any attachments are free of viruses. Virus scanning is recommended and is the responsibility of the recipient._______________________________________________
http://www.edulists.com.au<https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.edulists.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Croland.gesthuizen%40education.vic.gov.au%7Cdc4c4bb9dce947d1659808da70fbdd1a%7Cd96cb3371a8744cfb69b3cec334a4c1f%7C0%7C0%7C637948734854795616%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=O5%2BufLRKU%2Bj4WpC1O8U84QsGJzBm46TJawvVCx4wRL4%3D&reserved=0> - FAQ, Subscribe, Unsubscribe
IT Software Development Mailing List
_______________________________________________
http://www.edulists.com.au<https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.edulists.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Croland.gesthuizen%40education.vic.gov.au%7Cdc4c4bb9dce947d1659808da70fbdd1a%7Cd96cb3371a8744cfb69b3cec334a4c1f%7C0%7C0%7C637948734854795616%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=O5%2BufLRKU%2Bj4WpC1O8U84QsGJzBm46TJawvVCx4wRL4%3D&reserved=0> - FAQ, Subscribe, Unsubscribe
IT Software Development Mailing List

_______________________________________________
http://www.edulists.com.au<https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.edulists.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Croland.gesthuizen%40education.vic.gov.au%7Cdc4c4bb9dce947d1659808da70fbdd1a%7Cd96cb3371a8744cfb69b3cec334a4c1f%7C0%7C0%7C637948734854795616%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=O5%2BufLRKU%2Bj4WpC1O8U84QsGJzBm46TJawvVCx4wRL4%3D&reserved=0> - FAQ, Subscribe, Unsubscribe
IT Software Development Mailing List

IMPORTANT - This email and any attachments may be confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any affected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender, and not necessarily those of the Department of Education and Training.
_______________________________________________
http://www.edulists.com.au<https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.edulists.com.au%2F&data=05%7C01%7Croland.gesthuizen%40education.vic.gov.au%7Cdc4c4bb9dce947d1659808da70fbdd1a%7Cd96cb3371a8744cfb69b3cec334a4c1f%7C0%7C0%7C637948734854795616%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=O5%2BufLRKU%2Bj4WpC1O8U84QsGJzBm46TJawvVCx4wRL4%3D&reserved=0> - FAQ, Subscribe, Unsubscribe
IT Software Development Mailing List
_______________________________________________
http://www.edulists.com.au - FAQ, Subscribe, Unsubscribe
IT Software Development Mailing List

IMPORTANT - This email and any attachments may be confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any affected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender, and not necessarily those of the Department of Education and Training.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://edulists.com.au/pipermail/sofdev/attachments/20220731/e52abdbf/attachment-0001.htm>