[Year 12 SofDev] python UI

Thu Aug 6 13:51:58 AEST 2015

Sorry, I was misinterpreting the question! I was thinking along the lines
of creating Python code with a GUI rather than creating a GUI using Python
code.

Laurie

Laurie Savage
https://sites.google.com/a/pvgc.vic.edu.au/mr-savage/home

On 6 August 2015 at 08:29, Victoria Farrell <FarrellV at humegrammar.vic.edu.au
> wrote:

> Sure. But the students still need to create a software product with a GUI.
>
>
>
> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Mark
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 August 2015 5:47 PM
>
> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] python UI
>
>
>
> Dear language-choosers.
>
>
>
> As you know, learning *any* approved programming language brings with it
> the key knowledge and skills required for the SD exam (which can never
> assume experience with any particular language.)
>
>
>
> This, I acknowledge to be true of all previous SD exams.
>
>
>
> Even rather esoteric questions such as, "Can an array contain mixed data
> types?" has not sullied the pristine waters of the purely-theoretical,
> basic-concepts SD exams.
>
>
>
> This is a quiet, unacknowledged yet significant achievement by the writers
> of VCAA SD exams.
>
> If you've ever tried to write an SD exam, you'd appreciate the difficulty
> involved.
>
>
>
> (ITA exams are a different matter, especially with parochial MS Access vs
> Filemaker RDBMS questions. But let's move on...)
>
>
>
> VCAA has even taken the offensive to defend against unwanted adulteration
> of basic concepts: for example, SD teachers started saturating outcomes
> with external SQL databases to the point where basic programming concepts
> were being marginalised. VCAA stepped in and dictated that "databases are
> *not* to be used to support the construction of solutions".
>
> That was a sweet moment for the focus of SD on core business.
>
>
>
> In over a decade of writing VCAA exam post mortems, I have yet to find
> fault with an SD's exam's fixation on any language's syntax or philosophy.
> This is usually because of the exams' focus on pseudocode which neatly
> separates an algorithm from its source code.
>
>
>
> This is a beautiful model for examination. It focuses only on key
> knowledge and skills; it renders individual syntactical implementations in
> any language irrelevant.
>
> -Arrays is arrays.
>
> -Loops is loops.
>
> -IF is IF.
>
>
>
> Pseudocode removes trivial syntactical differences:
>
> - It makes no difference where the parentheses and semicolons are supposed
> to appear.
>
> - Don't put invariant calculations inside loops.
>
> - Break monolithic code into modules.
>
> - Test for boundary conditions in loops.
>
> - 'Less than' is different to 'Less than or equal to'
>
>
>
> I am glad that pseudocode in recent VCAA exam years has accommodated
> common constructs such as counted loops (e.g. FOR...NEXT) instead of
> relying entirely on primitive DO/LOOP and WHILE/WEND structures.
>
>
>
> I am delighted that students are now expected to be able to write basic
> pseudocode rather than just interpret it.
>
>
>
> It matters little which approved language you learned.
>
> If it encompasses the basic programming concepts, it's legitimate and
> valuable to students.
>
>
>
> Learn ANY language and you'll learn them all.
>
>
>
> M<arm
>
> (My usual mis-typing of "Mark")
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5 August 2015 at 14:19, Victoria Farrell <
> FarrellV at humegrammar.vic.edu.au> wrote:
>
> I’m just sore coz I learnt VB and Python.
>
>
>
> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Baas, Benjamin B
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 August 2015 1:42 PM
> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] python UI
>
>
>
> Will lolcode work for you?
>
>
>
> http://lolcode.org/
>
>
>
> Ben
>
> -Alkira.
>
>
>
> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Mark
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 August 2015 1:13 PM
> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] python UI
>
>
>
> hehehehe.
>
>
>
> Actually, I'd be keen to learn a language if it were called 'Dramatically
> Rhetorical Chipmunk'.
>
>
>
> Or 'Startled Handsome Wombat' - as long as it was event-driven and OOP.
>
>
>
> On 5 August 2015 at 13:02, Victoria Farrell <
> FarrellV at humegrammar.vic.edu.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Mark
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 August 2015 12:02 PM
> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] python UI
>
>
>
> Hi Victoria.
>
>
>
> I suspect your question is dramatically rhetorical, but for the sake of
> those who don't know...
>
>
>
> For this year, VCAA neatly lists the approved languages
> <http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/Pages/correspondence/bulletins/2010/June/vce_study.aspx#4>
> :
>
>    - Basic (object-oriented variations only, e.g. VB.NET) - including VB6
>    still !
>    - C++
>    - C#
>    - Objective-C
>    - Pascal (object-oriented variations only, e.g. Delphi)
>    - Java
>    - Perl
>    - PHP
>    - Python
>    - Ruby
>
> Sadly, neither Scratch nor QuickBASIC 4.5 qualifies  ;-)
>
>
>
> But henceforth, for the *new* study design (2016-2019) there is no longer
> an approved list of programming languages. There will, however, be a list
> of functions of which a chosen language must be capable.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5 August 2015 at 11:48, Victoria Farrell <
> FarrellV at humegrammar.vic.edu.au> wrote:
>
> In SD, students need to create working solutions where the interface is
> required to be user friendly…. So what language are we supposed to use?????
>
>
>
> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Laurie Savage
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 August 2015 11:43 AM
> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] python UI
>
>
>
> That's what I like about it! I'm not sure a GUI approach to language
> learning is always the right way in at this level; although I like the
> Scratch approach to problem solving eventually the students have to dive
> into syntax. I'm very fond of Python, just not very expert at it - there's
> always something else to do at work!
>
> Laurie
>
>
> Laurie Savage
> https://sites.google.com/a/pvgc.vic.edu.au/mr-savage/home
>
>
>
> On 5 August 2015 at 09:13, Guy Flaherty <Guy.Flaherty at xavier.vic.edu.au>
> wrote:
>
> There are a bunch of Python Web Frameworks Laurie. Probably the biggest of
> them is Django (http://djangoproject.com/). I am not teaching SD again
> this year but if I were I would look at using something like this and
> JQueryMobile (http://jquerymobile.com/) and get the students building
> mobile apps for their phones.
>
>
>
> Python is not really a GUI focussed language. You can do it, but other
> languages are probably going to be easier to teach and use. Don’t get me
> wrong, I love Python. Been using it for 15 years now, but not for GUI
> programming.
>
>
>
> Good luck,
>
>
>
> Guy Flaherty
>
> Xavier College
>
>
>
> *From:* sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Laurie Savage
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 August 2015 8:43 AM
> *To:* Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <
> sofdev at edulists.com.au>
> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 SofDev] python UI
>
>
>
> I haven't cracked using Python as a web tool yet so I'm interested in how
> people go about this. Is there anything like Ruby on Rails? (maybe Python
> on a Swing?)
>
> Laurie
>
>
> Laurie Savage
> https://sites.google.com/a/pvgc.vic.edu.au/mr-savage/home
>
>
>
> On 4 August 2015 at 22:41, Andrew Pate <arp at mentonegrammar.net> wrote:
>
> Hi all
> Just wondering through what mechanism those of you using python as your
> language are having students build UI? Is it web or otherwise platform
> independent?
> I have been using PHP for a few years now, and probably will continue, but
> I have a number of students in 9-11 taking the Grok NCSS challenge and
> thought about looking into python as my language. Also, the Algorithmics
> course mandates python, and I would like to offer that, although I know
> that UI is not so important there.
>
> Thanks
> Andrew.
>
> Andrew Pate
> Mentone Grammar
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
> *People laugh when I say that I think a jellyfish is one of the most
> beautiful things in the world. What they don't understand is, I mean a
> jellyfish with blonde hair.(Jack Handey)*
>
>
>
> Mark Kelly
>
> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>
> http://vceit.com
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> >> Witty sig goes HERE <<
>
>
>
> Mark Kelly
>
> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>
> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>
> mark at vceit.com
>
> http://vceit.com
>
> *Important - *This email and any attachments may be confidential. If
> received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening
> or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any
> loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender
> or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files
> our liability is limited to resupplying any affected attachments. Any
> representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender,
> and not necessarily those of the Department of Education and Training.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.edulists.com.au - FAQ, Subscribe, Unsubscribe
> IT Software Development Mailing List kindly supported by
> http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au - Victorian Curriculum and Assessment
> Authority and
> http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/softwaredevel3-4.html
> http://www.vitta.org.au  - VITTA Victorian Information Technology
> Teachers Association Inc
> http://www.swinburne.edu.au/ict/schools - Swinburne University
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> >> Witty sig goes HERE <<
>
>
>
> Mark Kelly
>
> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>
> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>
> mark at vceit.com
>
> http://vceit.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.edulists.com.au - FAQ, Subscribe, Unsubscribe
> IT Software Development Mailing List kindly supported by
> http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au - Victorian Curriculum and Assessment
> Authority and
> http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/softwaredevel3-4.html
> http://www.vitta.org.au  - VITTA Victorian Information Technology
> Teachers Association Inc
> http://www.swinburne.edu.au/ict/schools - Swinburne University
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://www.edulists.com.au/pipermail/sofdev/attachments/20150806/7598c686/attachment-0001.html 
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: ~WRD000.jpg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 823 bytes
Desc: not available
Url : http://www.edulists.com.au/pipermail/sofdev/attachments/20150806/7598c686/WRD000-0001.jpg 
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: image001.png
Type: image/png
Size: 300707 bytes
Desc: not available
Url : http://www.edulists.com.au/pipermail/sofdev/attachments/20150806/7598c686/image001-0001.png 