[Year 12 SofDev] RE: sofdev Digest, Vol 38, Issue 13

Wed Apr 16 13:25:58 EST 2008

Welt, you cood go to edulists or VITTA and sertch for reazoresses. 

Hey -- it's the last day of Term 1 for me (we're not on the state school schedule) and it has been a long 14 weeks of Term 1.

Maggie

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From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of John Bellavance
Sent: Wednesday, 16 April 2008 12:41 PM
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Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: sofdev Digest, Vol 38, Issue 13

Dear Kevork and colleagues,

I would be grateful to have your programming materials for Soft Dev. I don't want to reinvent the weal.

Best regards 

John Bellavance
Head of ICT 
Beaconhills College - Village Campus 
92 Kangan Drive, 
Berwick  Vic  3806 
Ph: (03) 8768 1177
Fax: (03) 8768 1190 

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From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian
Sent: Wednesday, 16 April 2008 11:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: sofdev Digest, Vol 38, Issue 13

Hi Ross and Mark,

 I wonder if Ross is asking something like the following skill set.
Students should be able to :

 1. create a form. Create multiple forms where each form is linked to each other. Create modal forms/dialog boxes ( can't move away until form is closed )
 2. create controls eg. buttons, textfields, labels, combo boxes, etc
 3. Validate input with various levels of validation such as range, type, dialog boxes. 
 4. Validate program processing by the use of modal forms.
 3. create menus, submenus
 4. link controls to external files. Save and read from a simple text file
 5. create controls linked to an access database with one table.
 6. add data to database from forms, delete data from database through the form.
 7. Try a relational database with integrity checking so a child record can't be created without a parent; cascade deletes can remove child records if parent record is deleted.
 8. Ensure use of the other guidelines in the official material posted below by Mark.

 Does that help ???

Regards
Kevork

Kevork Krozian
IT Manager , Forest Hill College
k.krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au
http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au
Mobile: 0419 356 034

>>> Mark Kelly <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au> 14/04/2008 9:09 am >>>
Well, regardless of the language being used, students need to be able to 
do these things at least...

* develop a graphical user interface (GUI), for use in portable
computing devices, such as laptops, personal digital assistants, gaming
consoles, mobile phones
* construct and use data structures, for example arrays, strings, sets,
lists, tables, records and stacks
* design, construct and use files to store and retrieve data
* design and apply data-validation techniques
* use program control structures: selection, iteration and sequencing.
The purpose-designed software will entail the use of objects, methods
and their properties, and event-driven programming."

That's the only official word I know has been published on requisite 
programming skill levels; sorry I can't say, "They must be up to page 
214 of their VB programming book."

Ogilvie, Ross A wrote:
> This doesn't quite answer my question. If I am using Visual Basic.....what is the level I should be testing my kids at.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Ross Ogilvie
> LSF ICT Leader
> Sunbury College
> 30 Racecourse Rd, Sunbury 3429
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:23:45 +1000
> From: Mark Kelly <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] RE: sofdev Digest, Vol 38, Issue 10
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> Approved programming languages and necessary programming skills (adapted
> from VCE Bulletin #38, June 2006)
> 
> The bulletin specifies that:
> 
> "In the development of this software, students should be able to:
> * develop a graphical user interface (GUI), for use in portable
> computing devices, such as laptops, personal digital assistants, gaming
> consoles, mobile phones
> * construct and use data structures, for example arrays, strings, sets,
> lists, tables, records and stacks
> * design, construct and use fi les to store and retrieve data
> * design and apply data-validation techniques
> * use program control structures: selection, iteration and sequencing.
> The purpose-designed software will entail the use of objects, methods
> and their properties, and event-driven
> programming."
> 
> Approved languages
> 
>      * Delphi
>      * Visual Basic (not Visual Basic for Applications)
>      * REALbasic
>      * Visual Basic.NET
>      * Visual C++ , Visual C#
>      * Visual Fox Pro
>      * Pascal (object-oriented variations only)
>      * Visual J, Visual J#
>      * Java
>      * Perl
>      * PHP
>      * Python
>      * Ruby
> 
> The bulletin adds, "Additional languages can be used to embellish a
> product, for example Javascript with webpages. However, these would be
> supplementary to the main language and not replace it."
> 
> Also: "Specific distributions, projects or variations of languages may
> be suitable as long as they are able to address the criteria listed
> above..."  Read the bulletin for more details.
> 
> 
> Ogilvie, Ross A wrote:
>> Dear All,
>>
>> I'm proposing to do something similar to Andrew. A question I have regarding programming with Visual Basic is what sort of standard is required For example, would most of the examples in Graeme Summers suffice?
>> I'm just a bit wary of ovderdoing/underdoing it.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ross Ogilvie
>> LSF ICT Leader
>> Sunbury College
>> 30 Racecourse Rd, Sunbury 3429
>> Ph (W) 9744 1066
>>    (H) 54272843
>> Bookmarks:  http://del.icio.us/Ross1956 
>> Wiki: http://ross1956.wikispaces.com/ 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:24:45 +1000
> From: "Christophersen, Paula P"
>         <christophersen.paula.p at edumail.vic.gov.au>
> Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Design awareness in schools resource
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> Dear colleagues
> 
> 
> 
> Over the past couple of years I have made reference on several occasions
> to the VCAA-developed resource called 'Design awareness in schools'
> (DAIS). It was originally published on the DVD titled 'Student learning
> 2006', which contained the validated VELS and other DEECD resources.
> Unfortunately the DAIS resource was overlooked by many teachers, and in
> fact many schools have disposed of the DVD because of its date. Anyhow,
> I'm pleased to announce that a version is now available on the VELS
> website at:
> 
> 
> 
> http://vels.vcaa.vic.edu.au/support/dais/index.html 
> 
> 
> 
> In this format it is a little clunky as it appears as a discrete set of
> downloads, and within some of these files the links are not as efficient
> as they are on the DVD. However, if you have not seen or used the
> resource before I urge you to check it out - not only are there some
> create sections on design principles and elements but there is a
> separate section on ICT and design. This is a very accessible resource
> for all teachers, not just ICT, particularly as ICT is embedded in other
> areas of learning.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Paula
> 
> 
> 
> Paula Christophersen
> 
> ICT Curriculum Manager
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> VCAA
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> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:11:00 GMT
> From: stephen at melbpc.org.au 
> Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] The Digital Document Quarterly
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> From:   H.M. Gladney <hgladney at PACBELL.NET>
> Date:   Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:38:15 -0700
> Subject:   Digital Document Quarterly 7(1) is available
> 
> 
> Digital Document Quarterly 7(1) is available
> 
> The Digital Document Quarterly newsletter volume 7 number 1 is available
> at http://home.pacbell.net/hgladney/ddq_7_1.htm.  Its table of contents is
> available at http://home.pacbell.net/hgladney/ddq.htm#Y2008.
> 
> As has become a recurring pattern, the top level topics of this DDQ number
> include Digital Preservation, Epistemology, News, Practical Matters, and
> Price Watch.  A less usual column is Open Access, identifying the giant
> book digitization initiatives announced recently.
> 
> The character of DDQ is evolving to include a far greater ratio of links
> to text than when the newsletter began 6 years ago.  I hope that readers
> will find this useful.
> 
> One squib, A Software Engineering Contribution, engendered a surprising
> amount of criticism and debate among some of the colleagues who preview
> each DDQ number.  I wonder whether readers will find it as controversial
> as these colleagues did, and invite comment on this (as well as anything
> else in DDQ).
> 
> Cheerio, Henry
> 
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> Institute of Teaching
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