[Reporting] Fwd: VELS and semester reporting - please advise

[Lesley Humphries]

Well said!

> I don't think it is THAT non-sensical....
> 
> Assuming that you have trusted measurement instruments that can distinguish fine changes in student
> performance from semester to semester related to objective standards...... THEN a student that reaches a
> standard 6 months "late" or "early" is above or below expected. 
> The problem lies not in theory, but in the practice....
> 
> We don't have and are not likely to be given ANY trusted measurement instruments - we are expected to BE the
> measurement instruments - entirely objective and consistent across the state .... HO HO
> 
> We don't have and are unlikely to be given any objective standards... the vague eduspeak of the "standards"
> allows a truck to be driven through it. ICT is one of the most tortuous and vacuous.
> 
> Therefore, what we will get will be a huge deluge of normative GIGO (Garbage In garbage OUT) as teachers
> choose the safety of the doubly wide C ground over the need to defend an B or a D without any real objective
> armour.
> 
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> From: reporting-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:reporting-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Lesley
> Humphries
> Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2007 10:55 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Reporting] Fwd: VELS and semester reporting - please advise
> 
> 
> Hi Kevork,
> 
> Re Progression Points & semester subjects
> 
> When we thought we had to do ICT progression points (we have recently found out that Catholic schools don't
> until next year - phew...) we had set up our marking schemes so that the percentage mark that led to to
> progression point in Sem 1 had to be different for Sem 2 to make them the same. Because you're right - you are
> teaching the same stuff, so why should a kid doing it in Semester 2 get a lower progression point than a kid
> who did exactly the same work in Semester 1? Just because they're possibly six months older?
> 
> It's really nonsensical, but it was the only way we could make it work for us. We just keep hoping all this
> silly A-E reporting stuff will soon disappear...
> 
> > 
> > Hi Folks,
> > 
> > I hate to do this, but I haven't heard from the reporting list so I am
> > cross posting this for your advice please.
> > 
> > 
> > >>> Kevork! Krozian 6/06/2007 10:29 am >>>
> > Hi Folks,
> > 
> > Consider this dilemma ,
> > 
> > Students do a compulsory elective of ICT in 1 semester of Year 9 ( or
> > Yr 10 for that matter ). All students will do this elective, either in
> > Sem 1 or Sem 2. It is the same work for both semesters. Student X does
> > Sem 1, student Y does Sem 2. They are twins.
> > 
> > Both attain a progression point of 5.5 . However, student X gets a
> > grade of B and student Y gets a grade of C for the same work. So , how
> > do we explain this to parents ? They are both achieving the same , yet
> > score different grades by the randomness of elective selection and
> > different stages ( or ages ) of assessment .
> > 
> > How do we reconcile this ?
> > 
> > Look forward to your replies
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Kevork Krozian
> > IT Manager , Forest Hill College
> > k.krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au 
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Ms Lesley Humphries
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