The earliest reference was i found was a discussion in Nov 2005 between Kevork Krozian, Andrew Grimshaw and Roland Gesthuizen in relation to a discussion about booking software back in November 2005. Andrew referenced some trials that had been running. This places the birth of Ultranet to either late 2004 or early 2005. My money is with the latter. <br>
<br>hehehe, we must either loosing our few collective braincells not recalling this great off-topic post. I remember it now, as it helped kick along some great Moodlle and Linux discussions later and was the germ of your initial idea how to build your integrated system with timetabling etc at ForestHill College.<br>
<br>I can dig up a bit more but this will do for now .. I need to get to school ;-)<br><br>Regards Roland<br><br><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">
---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Kevork Krozian</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Kroset@novell1.fhc.vic.edu.au">Kroset@novell1.fhc.vic.edu.au</a>></span><br>Date: 2005/11/29<br>
Subject: [Year 12 IPM] Re: Booking software -- does it integrate ??<br>To: <a href="mailto:ipm@edulists.com.au">ipm@edulists.com.au</a><br><br><br>Hi folks,<br><br> With the review of all the varying options for resource booking
software ( by the way we wrote our own using asp pages and an access
database ) it would be advisable to consider not just a great piece of
software but to what extent does it fit in with your network ?<br><br> Let me explain. When we look at software we are often taken by
the end user functions and features which is all fine and necessary.<br>
However, consider your network . How are staff and students
authenticated when they log on ? Are they using Novell or Windows
Servers or are there some out there using Linux servers for some
network functions ? If so, will you create yet another database of
users with your new software to book resources or will it be able to
"talk" to existing servers that have staff and student accounts ?<br><br>
It is HIGHLY ( yes, I am shouting ) desirable to have the new software
authenticate ( use the name and password of staff and students ) on (
or against ) existing servers .<br>
Otherwise you will need to keep create a new user list database by
importing the users from another server and updating the new program's
userlist and passwords each time there is a change to staff or students
if both are required to log on . Certainly even maintenance of staff
userlists is a pain and an example of the disintegration of a system as
opposed to the integration and consolidation of the user databases.<br><br> Sometimes, new software will simply be able to "talk" to an
existing database using protocols like LDAP to check that a user is
indeed a staff member and is providing the credentials ( username and
password ) found on an existing server. This is an example of keeping
all databases tight without introducing a new database. Take a minute
to consider how many hours are lost at your school with ( highly paid
senior ?)people simply moving data from point A to point B . And what
else happens ? Yes, it is never without problems as people forget or
make mistakes or can't get to implementing it in time. This just
confirms that humans are not good at moving data.<br><br> Now that I have your attention, take an audit of all the user
databases operating in your school . How many different ones are there
? five, six, seven or more ? Can these be integrated ?<br>
One task I have for next year is to integrate timetabling, reporting
and attendance into one package ( vs the current 3 different programs
where changes have to moved across each time to the others ).
Thereafter, I wish to integrate the remaining databases ...... Wish
me luck !<br><br><br>
I hope this makes sense.<br><br><br><br><br>
Kevork Krozian<br>
IT Manager , Forest Hill College<br><a href="mailto:k.krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au">k.krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au</a><br><a href="http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au/" target="_blank">http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au</a><br>
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>>> <a href="mailto:grimshaw.andrew.j@edumail.vic.gov.au">grimshaw.andrew.j@edumail.vic.gov.au</a> 11/29/05 09:32am >>><br>
we have a similar problem withe people overbooking the computer rooms and we dont even have booking software<br><br>
as the old saying goes "software doesn't make bookings, people make bookings"<br><br>
-andrew grimshaw<br>
Colac College<br>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:31 AM<br>
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] On the subject of Bookit (Crosspost)<br><br><br>
Hi Everyone<br><br><br><br> We are currently looking at introducing Bookit next year. I have
reservations purely because we have a few teachers who would dominate
bookings. Does anyone have a way around this?<br><br><br><br>
Nerrida Burnham<br><br>
HOD Information Technology<br><br>
Mt Lilydale Mercy College<br><br>
120 Anderson Street<br><br>
Lilydale VIC 3140<br><br>
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Subject: [Year 12 IPM] On the subject of Bookit (Crosspost)<br><br><br><br>
Hello Everyone<br><br>
Just wondering it anyone is out there using Timetabler to export to Bookit?<br><br> If so, have you run into the problem where your export data from
TT needs to have a field for the day so that Bookit can make sense of
it? For example, if you have a 10 day timetable then each period
occurring on the first Monday will have a '1' attached, while the
second Monday's periods needs to have a '6'.<br><br> If the info from TT does not have this field then I have to
manually alter the exported files before I can import them into Bookit.
This is not a hard job but there must be an easier way. (Other than
getting someone else to do it)<br><br>
If you can help please email me directly to cut down on the crossposting,<br><br>
Cheers<br><br>
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LTC Mercy College Coburg<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
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Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] Electronic booking systems<br><br><br><br>
Have used BOOKIT and it was great<br><br><br><br><br><br>
<a href="http://www.carobcom.com/bookit.htm" target="_blank">http://www.carobcom.com/bookit.htm</a><br><br><br><br><br><br>
Cheers<br><br><br><br>
Rod<br><br><br><br>
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From: <a href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] On Behalf Of Andrew Grimshaw<br>
Sent: 28 November 2005 3:06 PM<br>
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Subject: [Year 12 IPM] Electronic booking systems<br>
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hello friendly ICT teachers<br>
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pls excuse cross-posts<br>
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<br>
I am investgating electronic booking software and was wondering what other schools were using?<br>
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I am thinking of installing the open source MRBS - has anyone else used this?<br>
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thx, andrew grimshaw<br>
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<font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">My recollection is that the prototype was being trialed in selected schools such as Ringwood S.C. during 2005/6 and the department website had a powerpoint promoting it up by the end of 2006. I’ve just looked at my copy of that powerpoint and it has the date 16 October 2006.<br>
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On 9/11/09 7:15 AM, "Kevork Krozian" <<a href="http://kevork@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">kevork@edulists.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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</div></span></font><blockquote><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><div class="im"><font face="Arial">Yes I know it keeps rolling back, but I thought a detective like your good self would recall just when the first concept of the ultranet hit the headlines.<br>
It feels like quite a few years with. One online source suggests it went to tender in 2007. Surely we were talking Ultranet before that.<br>
Just curious to fill in some of the gaps.<br>
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</font><font face="Arial">Take Care<br>
</font></div><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><div class="im">Kevork Krozian<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:04 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Moodle] Ultranet quick timeline of history<br>
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hehehehe it keeps rolling back and back so it is a very odd and jumpy timeline. Delivery around the latter half of term 4 2010 .. rumors have it very probably going to be slotted in after the next election as this is a clear target.<br>
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You are wise to clarify this although I wouldn't quite say that Moodle is the same as Ultranet. Whilst there is going to be some overlap, there are some important scope and structural differences.<br>
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Regards Roland<br>
<br>
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2009/11/8 Kevork Krozian <<a href="http://kevork@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">kevork@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
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</font><font face="Arial">Hi Folks,<br>
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</font><font face="Arial"> Since moodle and the ultranet are effectively trying to deliver the same thing, I assumed this was the best list to post to. <br>
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</font><font face="Arial"> I was wondering if anyone had a timeline of the ultranet history to date ?<br>
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</font><font face="Arial">I need to brief some colleagues on the timeline of the initiative from date of concept announcement, progress, tender, re-tender, how long we have been waiting and when we can expect to see it if we are not an ultranet coach or a select school.<br>
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</font><font face="Arial">Kind Regards<br>
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