[Moodle] PHP/MySQL & Action Script Courses

Tue Mar 31 12:15:05 EST 2009

Hi Kent,

     I have to say you write in a very considered manner and no there is no offence taken -  just mutual respect !

     I am concerned that I am getting out of my depth speaking on behalf of VITTA so I have escalated this to Adrian Janson the President of VITTA to speak , if he wishes to , on VITTA's behalf regarding this thread.

    The only other comment I would make is that your focus is the cost. You did not seem to acknowledge any single aspect of the points I raised under what teachers get for the fee and then to decide if that is value or not. Your omission suggests that a PD is a PD no matter what you get or what is covered or who is standing out the front. 

   I believe VITTA will be probably run with the numbers even if they make a loss.

  My preference would always be to be with my family during the holidays or after school, but that would be slightly off topic as it is not part of our professional discussion .....

  I sign off with respect for your position and empathy for the difficulties you and others may be under with seriously depleted PD budgets in many schools be it city or rural .

Take Care

Kevork Krozian
IT Manager , Forest Hill College
k.krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au
http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au
Mobile: 0419 356 034

>>> "Kent Beveridge" <kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au> 31/03/2009 9:19 am >>>
Hi Kevork, and VITTA
if I may, permit me to respectfully, make an observation on behalf of rural staff and as a PLN leader for Wimmera. 
Up front, I have no idea just who is involved, how many people, hours or similar it has taken to prepare your course but...to the layman(ie me, and similar)...
Even if just 10 people participate at approx $600 per head that's $6000.
Now, up here (in the bush) the PD I just ran cost $33 a head (admitted some of that was sponsored) and we had the school provide, at no cost, the venue.

You've got to admit - these do raise some questions...
Additionally, the costs to get from a rural site to the city plus, potential accomodation etc costs..

So, you can understand my concerns and please, this is not a negative comment, just an observation.

Kent.

Kent Beveridge,
I.C.T. co-ordinator
St. Brigids Catholic Sec. College
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Horsham Ph (03) 5382 3545
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From: moodle-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Kevork Krozian
Sent: Mon 3/30/2009 3:27 PM
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Subject: RE: [Moodle] PHP/MySQL & Action Script Courses

Hi Folks,

 Thanks for your feedback. Obviously VITTA would love to know what teachers think. And I take the liberty to reply on their behalf.

These are activities that VITTA has to budget, pay rent, staff and allocate time to provide a service. At the end of the day VITTA does not make much of a profit and if these sessions run at a loss as they often do, if there aren't enough people attending.

Normally this course runs for 5 sessions each of 2 hours so teachers can do homework in between sessions rather than have the whole lot in one block of 9 or 10 hours.
In that sense this was an effort on VITTA's behalf to try to bring this course to our rural and regional teachers with minimal disruption. 

Teachers receive the following:
   1. A textbook which is a full course.
   2. An installation DVD with ubuntu and utilities to set up your own MySQL and Apache server
   3. Hands on practice installing your own Ubuntu MySQL /Apache server
   4. 13 Learning Activities each of several pages carefully illustrated written for teaching gently with a set of exercises at the end of each learning activity
   5. A set of 12 assessment tasks for use with mobile devices up to desktops on multiple operating systems, from Yr 8 to Yr 12 standard including Software Development
   6. Relational database design and implementation theory and practice
   7. Two table and three table relational database practical tasks using MySQL and PHP.

Furthermore, whenever I have provided this type of PD there has been ongoing support for many months with emails to me , phone calls and other requests for help. This is an extra demand on time and expertise willingly provided that is unpaid and unquantified.

I am not sure what will work for others and that is a decision for each school.For the record I did deliver the same PD last year to a group of TAFE teachers for a day who did get a lot out of it - this being TAFE teachers who teach certificate and diploma courses.

Over to you Kent and Mark ....... :))

Take care

Kevork Krozian
IT Manager , Forest Hill College
k.krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au 
http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au <http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au/> 
Mobile: 0419 356 034

Kevork Krozian
IT Manager , Forest Hill College
k.krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au 
http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au <http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au/> 
Mobile: 0419 356 034

>>> "Mark Sampson" <sampson.mark.m at edumail.vic.gov.au> 30/03/2009 11:24 am >>>
I'd have to agree.... I would luv the course as would our techo but the boss
baulked at the price

Mark Sampson

Curriculum Coordinator

Mansfield Secondary College

View Street Mansfield 3722

Phone 03 5775 2022

Home 03 5776 2226

mobile 0407059986

email sampson.mark.m at edumail.vic.gov.au 

From: moodle-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:moodle-bounces at edulists.com.au] 
On Behalf Of Kent Beveridge
Sent: Monday, 30 March 2009 9:16 AM
To: The Moodle Users' in Schools Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Moodle] PHP/MySQL & Action Script Courses

Was about to book for the day...but then saw the price!

One day for HOW MUCH??

Sorry, way tooooo much!  Strictly for rich people with lots of budget!

Kent.

Kent Beveridge,

I.C.T. co-ordinator\

St. Brigids Catholic Sec. College

  <http://www.stbc.vic.edu.au/> http://www.stbc.vic.edu.au/ 

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Subject: [Moodle] PHP/MySQL & Action Script Courses

If interested please book at www.vitta.org.au/trainingevents 

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1. PHP and MySQL Holiday Program - Monday April 6th  from  8:00a.m - 5:00
p.m [This is designed particularly for those in rural and region areas and
those who can't make the after school delivery of this module.

Session details

This is a one day version of Kevork's popular PHP and MySQL module. It is
designed for those who can't get to Forest Hill after school during the
term. It has been specifically designed particularly for teachers in rural
and regional areas.

Interested in PHP and MySQL? Here are the benefits:

    * PHP is one of the approved programming languages in Software
Development

    * PHP combined with MySQL can be used  for years 8 to 12 VCE & VET
teachers, including at Year 11 for Database Programming

    * PHP can be used to program mobile devices

Included in the fees are copies of Kevorks new book "PHP and MySQL for
standard and mobile devices", software installation as well as sample
outcomes for teachers who are interested in delivering PHP and MySQL.

    * Bring your laptop, morning tea and lunch provided

The sessions  delivered by Kevork Krozian, an experienced teacher and
author.

The day is tailored to fit the beginner, intermediate or advanced person,
with notes and exercises ready for participants at any proficiency level.

Date:  Monday April 6th  from  8:00a.m - 5:00 p.m

Where:

Room S5  IT Department

Forest Hill College

178 - 180 Mahoneys Rd

Burwood East

Melways 62 C5

Fees

Fees include refreshments, resources, and are per person inclusive of GST.

VITTA Member: $ 540

Non-VITTA Member: $ 660

Cancellations

No refunds if less than 5 working days notice. Cancellations prior to this
incur a 25% cancellation fee. Cancellations must be made in writing to
pd at vitta.org.au 

Confirmation & receipt

Upon registering you will receive a confirmation email, though spam blocking
can prevent this.  Please bring this email with you to the event.

Privacy

VITTA has a privacy policy that endorses National Privacy Policy Principles
set out in the Privacy Act (Private Sector) ACT 2000. A copy of the policy
can be found on the VITTA website vitta.org.au or call 03 9495 6836.

PARKING

There will be sufficient parking at Forest Hill College. Continue up the
drive, and park in the bays on your left.

Contact

Mia Solomon

Project Officer Assistant

T: 9495 6836

F: 9495 6834

pd at vitta.org.au 

vitta.org.au

=--------------------------------------

2. PHP and MySQL 5 Module Unit - starting Tuesday  April 21st  from
4.30-6.30pm

Interested in PHP and MySQL? Here are the benefits:

    * PHP is one of the approved programming languages in Software
Development

    * PHP combined with MySQL can be used  for years 8 to 12 VCE & VET
teachers, including at Year 11 for Database Programming

    * PHP can be used to program mobile devices

Included in the fees are copies of Kevorks new book "PHP and MySQL for
standard and mobile devices", software installation as well as sample
outcomes for teachers who are interested in delivering PHP and MySQL.

All sessions are delivered by Kevork Krozian, an experienced teacher and
author.

* Bring your laptop  * Light refreshments provided

All 5 sessions are tailored to fit the beginner, intermediate or advanced
person, with notes and exercises ready for participants at any proficiency
level.!

Dates & times

5 module programme

Tuesdays

4.30-6.30pm

Term 2, 2009

April 21

April 28

May 5

May 12

May 19

Venue

Where:

Room S! 5  IT Department

Forest Hill College

178 - 180 Mahoneys Rd

Burwood East

Melways 62 C5

Fees

Fees include refreshments, resources, and are per person inclusive of GST.
These prices are for all 5 modules. No discounts for attendance at 4 modules
or less.

VITTA  Member: $ 580

Non-VITTA Member: $ 700

Cancellations

No refunds if less than 5 working days notice. Cancellations prior to this
incur a 25% cancellation fee. Cancellations must be made in writing to
pd at vitta.org.au 

Confirmation & receipt

Upon registering you will receive a confirmation email, though spam!
blocking can prevent this. Please bring thi! s email with you to the event.

Privacy

VITTA has a privacy policy that endorses National Privacy Policy Principles
set out in the Privacy Act (Private Sector) ACT 2000. A copy of the policy
can be found on the VITTA website vitta.org.au or call 03 9495 6836.

PARKING

There will be sufficient parking at Forest Hill College. Continue up the
drive, and park in the bays on your left.

Contact

Mia Solomon

Project Officer Assistant

T: 9495 6836

F: 9495 6834

pd at vitta.org.au 

vitta.org.au

=-----------------------------------! ---

3. Session details

ActionScript  5 Module Unit - starting Tuesday  April 21st  from
4.30-6.30pm

Beginner's Actionscript 3 - programming from the grou! nd up leading to
games creation in Intermediate ActionS! cript 3.0

All sessions are delivered by Kevork Krozian, an experienced teacher and
author.

* Bring your laptop  * Light refreshments provided

All 5 sessions are tailored to fit the beginner, intermediate or advanced
person, with notes and exercises ready for participants at any proficiency
level.

Dates & times

5 module programme

Tuesdays

4.30-6.30pm

Term 2, 2009

May 26

June 2

June 9

June 16

June 23

Venue

Where:

Room S5  IT Department

Forest Hill College

178 - 180 Mahoneys Rd

Burwood East

Melways 62 C5

Fees

Fees include refreshments, resources, and are per person inclusive of GST.
These prices are for all 5 modules. No discounts for attendance at 4 modules
or less.

VITTA  Member: $ 570

Non-VITTA Member: $ 680

Cancellations

No refunds if less than 5 working days notice. Cancellations prior to this
incur a 25% cancellation fee. Cancellations must be made in writing to
pd at vitta.org.au 

Confirmation & receipt

Upon registering you! will receive a confirmation email, though s! pam
blocking can prevent this. Please bring this email with you to the event.

Privacy

VITTA has a privacy policy that endorses National Privacy Policy Principles
set out in the Privacy Act (Private Sector) ACT 2000. A copy of the policy
can be found on the VITTA website vitta.org.au or call 03 9495 6836.

PARKING

There will be sufficient parking at Forest Hill College. Continue up the
drive, and park in the bays on your left.

Contact

Mark Richardson

Professional Learning Officer

T: 9495 6836

F: 9495 6834

pd at vitta.org.au 

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