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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hi Travis,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>It doesn't matter what you or I or even your school
thinks Psychology is. The VCAA says it is a Science subject. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I remember many years ago, 1967 to be exact,
Geography was classed as both Science and Humanities at Form 5 to help
kids satisfy course requirements. :-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Robert Hind (Semi-retired) OOF, GOM, COF<BR>Ashwood
and Traralgon<BR><A
href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Travis.Parker@beaconhills.vic.edu.au
href="mailto:Travis.Parker@beaconhills.vic.edu.au">Travis Parker</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=itapps@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:43
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12
Info Tech</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Litsa
- </SPAN><I><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">My
school tends to have more students doing Psychology as it is a
Science.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></I></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">At
best a pseudo-Science. We classify it as a Humanities
subject!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US> <A
href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>
<A
href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]">[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]</A>
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Mann, Warrick D<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 7 December 2011
10:10 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info
Tech<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Hi
All,,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">As
someone who still works in “real world” IT, I see the course as highly
relevant.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">As
to “real info tech”, which IT stream are we talking about? Programming?
Project Management? Systems Analyst? Systems Architect?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">IT
is Business management with specific set of skills – If IT cannot integrate
successfully into a business, it will not be adopted effectively or run
efficiently.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Warrick
Mann<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US> <A
href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>
<A
href="mailto:[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]">[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]</A>
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Andrew Shortell<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 7 December 2011
9:20 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info
Tech<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Perhaps we could
move those business functions out of IT and into the business subjects because
all subjects are supposed to have ICT and the business stuff is certainly not
real computing science<BR><BR>Then we would be left with just computing in in
the computing subject!!<BR><BR>The business people would be delighted because
then they could teach it their way and teach “at the point of need to know”
always a more effective way of ensuring students pay attention!<BR><BR>And we
would all be happy because we could do real computing in the computing
subject.<BR><BR>Andrew<BR><BR>-- <BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Apple Casual','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Andrew
Shortell<BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><BR><A
href="mailto:shortell@get2me.net">mailto:shortell@get2me.net</A> <BR>Leaving
the <BR>Heidelberg Teaching Unit at the end of 2011<BR>Ph 9470 3403<BR>Fax
9470 3215<BR><BR><BR><BR>On 7/12/11 4:05 AM, "Mark Scott" <<A
href="msc@luther.vic.edu.au">msc@luther.vic.edu.au</A>>
wrote:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">It would kill the
subject completely here at Luther.<BR> <BR>Mark Scott<BR>Luther
College<BR> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
href="itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A> [<A
href="itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>] On
Behalf Of Roland Gesthuizen [<A
href="rgesthuizen@gmail.com">rgesthuizen@gmail.com</A>]<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:40 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Year 12 IT Applications
Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info
Tech<BR><BR>Here is an interesting question I could toss to this group to mull
over. <BR><BR>When we consider the progressive declining enrollment in the
year 12 IS and ITA, is there merit in a long term thought to combine the two
into a single year 12 Info Tech subject?<BR><BR>No agenda, just plain old
curious about your thoughts.<BR><BR>Regards Roland<BR><BR>On 6 December 2011
17:33, Robert Hind <<A href="robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</A>>
wrote:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">So let's get this
back where it belongs! Or at least separate the ItApps and the SoftDev
discussions.<BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Thanks
folks!</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<BR> <BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Robert Hind
(Semi-retired) OOF, GOM, COF<BR>Ashwood and Traralgon<BR><A
href="robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</A></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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