Disagree. U4O1 key knowledge is not database-driven. It applies equally to SS.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 5 December 2011 16:25, Robert Hind <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">No Mark you did not suggest that! But the U401 
outcomes are essentially to do with databases, whatever the SD 
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I just have a real problem with using a spreadsheet 
to do what is essentially database work. It is like using MS Word to do desktop 
publishing. Perhaps we are headed towards the MSicandoitall.exe that will do 
word processing, spreadsheets, databases, dtp, slide shows - and would you like 
fries with that?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Robert Hind (Semi-retired) OOF, GOM, COF<br>Ashwood 
and Traralgon<br><a href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com" target="_blank">robert@yinnar.com</a></font></div>
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  <div style="FONT:10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
  <div style="FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b> 
  <a title="kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au" href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">Mark KELLY</a> </div>
  <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="itapps@edulists.com.au" href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers&#39; Mailing 
  List</a> </div>
  </div><div class="im"><div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 05, 2011 3:30 
  PM</div>
  </div><div><div class="h5"><div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] 
  Spreadsheet vs Database for U4O1</div>
  <div><br></div>Hi Robert<br><br>I don&#39;t use spreadsheets as databases... did I 
  somehow suggest that?<br><br>I&#39;ve found the number of students having trouble 
  with spreadsheets is <b>way</b> less than those having dB trouble - and their 
  marks for U4O1 compared to U3O2 clearly reflect that.<br><br>
  <div class="gmail_quote">On 5 December 2011 15:14, Robert Hind <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com" target="_blank">robert@yinnar.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
  <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote">Hi Mark,<br><br>I have never been in favour of using a 
    spreadsheet as a database. So would<br>really go for a RDBMS for U401 rather 
    than spreadsheet software. Introduce<br>the RDBMS in year 11 and progress 
    from  there. Sure some students have<br>problems with databases, but 
    then the same students have trouble with<br>spreadsheets :-)<br><span><font color="#888888"><br>Robert Hind (Semi-retired) OOF, GOM, 
    COF<br>Ashwood and Traralgon<br><a href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com" target="_blank">robert@yinnar.com</a><br></font></span>
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    <div><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: &quot;Mark Scott&quot; 
    &lt;<a href="mailto:msc@luther.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">msc@luther.vic.edu.au</a>&gt;<br>To: 
    &quot;Year 12 IT Applications Teachers&#39; Mailing List&quot;<br>&lt;<a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps@edulists.com.au</a>&gt;<br>Sent: 
    Monday, December 05, 2011 10:28 AM<br>Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] Spreadsheet 
    vs Database for U4O1<br><br><br>&gt; Dear all<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I am 
    considering a move away from Spreadsheets for U4O1.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; It just 
    seemed that the 2011 exam might have favoured those students who<br>&gt; did 
    Databases instead.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; What do people think?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; 
    thanks<br>&gt; Mark Scott<br>&gt; Luther College<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &quot;The busier 
    you get, the slower you walk&quot; anon<br>&gt;<br>&gt; 
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