<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">you love being pedantic!<div><br></div><div>and you do it very well too!<br><div><br></div><div>A<br><div>
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Chalkboard">Andrew Shortell</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; ">Heidelberg Teaching Unit in 2011</span></font></div></div></span>
</div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;">wishing I was semi retired too</span></font></div>
<br><div><div>On 26/07/2011, at 6:44 PM, Mike Brookes wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hate to be pedantic :-), but PDF is not software, it is a file type used <br>to contain various kinds of pre-formatted data.<br><br>Mike Brookes<br>Semi-retired gentleman - Copperfield College<br><br>On 26/07/2011 3:32 PM, <a href="mailto:geoffmoss37@bigpond.com">geoffmoss37@bigpond.com</a> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Hi Mark and all<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Would agree on your comments re. pdf as it is not primarily seen as multimedia software and a pdf can be created from a Word document and thus would not then be seen as a multimedia authoring tool. &nbsp;So to say a pdf is a multimedia tool per se is not correct.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">While a multimedia PDF incorporating Flash and video could be created I think that, given the time available, it would not be in the interests of students to go down this road when there are easier ways to achieve the outcome. &nbsp;This is a way of bringing multimedia into the pdf, the pdf not being the multimedia tool.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">My 2 cents worth<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Geoff Moss<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">RMIT<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">---- Mark KELLY&lt;<a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a>&gt; &nbsp;wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hi all. &nbsp;The study design says that "To support the ongoing use of these<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">solutions, students produce user documentation using either web authoring or<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">multimedia authoring software."<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I think most of us would agree on what "web authoring" software would be -<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Dreamweaver, Drupal/Moodle etc (but do we include Notepad if it's used to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">create PHP/AJAX/CSS/HTML5 pages?).<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">We just need to argue over whether PDF is "multimedia authoring software".<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I'd say not. &nbsp;I'd say its prime function is *not* the creation of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">multimedia.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I'd say Powerpoint and Flash *are* specifically designed as multimedia<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">authoring tools.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">2.15c worth (assuming a GST rise to pay for the carbon tax)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Come out lurkers. &nbsp;What do you think?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Mark<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On 25 July 2011 14:23, Andrew Shortell&lt;<a href="mailto:shortell@get2me.net">shortell@get2me.net</a>&gt; &nbsp;wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> &nbsp;Hey Mark<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">At a personal level I do not believe a single PDF is adequate if it is<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">merely a print document such as a text document (NOT necessarily a word doc<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">from microsloth (attribution to Mike B))<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">However I believe that as part of doing the preparation for creating User<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Documentation that we create a specification set / design brief. This brief<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">contains all the things that will help them to achieve high in each criteria<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">on the marking scheme.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Thus they know exactly what they need to put in and so the students who are<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">interested in attaining good results put it in.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I consider it no reflection upon myself if they deliberately choose not to<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">put in things that we have discussed and added to the specifications of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">which they have a copy. &nbsp;!!<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Interactivity is important for user doc; searchability; and lots of other<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">things. Given that you are marking the sacs you need to set the specs. If<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the students know the specs then they have the best chance of meeting them!<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">(I think I am missing teaching vce!! And the intellectual challenges<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">therein! As I sit in a year 7 art class.)<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Andrew<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On 25/07/11 1:30 PM, "Mark KELLY"&lt;<a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a>&gt; &nbsp;wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hi Andrew. &nbsp;While I acknowledge that PDF has one or two distinctively<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">onscreen features, it lacks most of them. &nbsp;If I let my kids use PDF as a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">format, they'd type up a normal Word document and just save it as PDF<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">without exploiting the features they were meant to use.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On 25 July 2011 10:22, Andrew Shortell&lt;<a href="mailto:shortell@get2me.net">shortell@get2me.net</a>&gt; &nbsp;wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hi John and Mark<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">PDF is no longer merely meant to be printed. It is a simple way to keep<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">everything looking like you meant it to look.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">PDF docs can contain links etc so they are not merely printed pages<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">A lot of user doc that one receives nowadays comes as pdf. 100s of pages of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">it. When was the last time that you printed a pdf manual????????<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">E.g. Last night I installed a big pond usb modem for a “Senior” couple. The<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">suer doc was a series of pdfs. Telstra is moderately up to date with<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">things......<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Back off my soap box and on to teaching and learning<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Andrew<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Andrew Shortell<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">mailto:shortell@get2me.net&lt;<a href="mailto:shortell@get2me.net">shortell@get2me.net</a>&gt;<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Heidelberg Teaching Unit<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Ph 9470 3403<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Fax &nbsp;9470 3215<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au">http://www.edulists.com.au</a> - FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">IT Applications Mailing List kindly supported by<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/itapplications3-4.html">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/itapplications3-4.html</a> -<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Victorian Curriculum and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