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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wow, I’m only a 2<sup>nd</sup> year out teacher. Where am I gonna get all my door stops from?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Maybe I could use the mountain of lost property USB Sticks and solder them together…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><img width=216 height=92 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01CC204F.1A6084A0" alt="Description: ben_sig"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mr Ben Hines<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Maths/ICT Teacher<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Senior School Campus - Christian College Geelong<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>(</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(03) 52411577 (ext. 212)</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Shortell<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 1 June 2011 10:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] this database thread again....<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I remember the Novell o/s when it came on 5.25” disks (2 of them and three disks of printer drivers)<br>The paper instructions came in TWO boxes each nearly a metre long!<br><br>Now that is what I call a door stop ( * grin * )<br><br>Then it came out on CD and all the instructions were on disc. My door wept.<br><br>Andrew<br><br><br>On 1/06/11 9:56 AM, "Kent Beveridge" <<a href="kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au">kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Ya gotta admit Ro, Dbase was a great little package back in our early teaching days! And a nice door stop box too mate!!!!<br><br> <br><br>hehehe...<br><br> <br><br></span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'>Kent Beveridge<br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#3366FF'>ICT Co-ordinator, St.Brigids CSC, HORSHAM,Vic,Aus.<br><a href="kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au">kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a href="itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] on behalf of Roland Gesthuizen [<a href="rgesthuizen@gmail.com">rgesthuizen@gmail.com</a>]<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 31 May 2011 12:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] this database thread again....<br></span><br>Ah but at one point in the early 1990's they just about gave away DBase III with a floppy disk tucked into a back pocket of every text book. DBase IV box was handy, if only for propping my office door open. <br><br>On 31 May 2011 12:10, Mark Scott <<a href="msc@luther.vic.edu.au">msc@luther.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>They had a restricted version that was free for schools.<br> <br>The alternatives were costly.<br> <br>Mark Scott<br>Luther College<br> <br><b>From:</b> <a href="itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark KELLY<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 31 May 2011 12:01 PM<br><br><br><b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] this database thread again....<br> <br>Does anyone still use FoxPro? I used it in the old IPM SAC days, early 90s - <b>can't remember why on I chose it...<br></b>Maybe because it was there. <br><br>>From memory, it was quite nice to use.<br><br>On 31 May 2011 11:34, Kent Beveridge <<a href="kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au">kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<br><br>Andrew...Dbase..yep used that too! DbIV. (blue screen white font...). I actually did enjoy that program dare I say it.<br><br>ok..so I'm a dinosaur..but I like being a dinosaur!!! <br><br>KB.<br><br>Kent Beveridge<br><br>ICT Co-ordinator, St.Brigids CSC, HORSHAM,Vic,Aus.<br><br><a href="kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au">kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au</a><br><br> <o:p></o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p><b>From:</b> <a href="itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a href="itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] on behalf of Andrew Shortell [<a href="shortell@get2me.net">shortell@get2me.net</a>]<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 28 May 2011 7:33 PM<br><b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] this database thread again....<br><br>Hi Kent <br><br> <br><br>Yes I remember doing that in cobol also. I have used sql, access, dbase 3, dbase 4, filemaker in quite a few versions, , hated doing database activities in spreadsheets esp using microsloth products on the dark side<br><br> <br><br>At least you can pay bills online at the moment - my credit card is gone thanks to being cancelled due to fraudulent activity - might be ten days before I see the new one. <br><br>I have actually used cash to pay for petrol - felt very weird.<br><br> <br><br>Database stuff - there are always new people to convert to the light -- "to normalise" so it is wonderful to revive an old old thread again now we feel "normal" (ised)<br><br> <br><br>Andrew<br><br> <br><br>Andrew Shortell<br><br>Heidelberg Teaching Unit in 2011<br> <br><br>On 28/05/2011, at 4:54 PM, Kent Beveridge wrote:<br><br><br>are we still yappin about this old chestnut again????<br> <br><br>Who upset Mark this time!!?? lol.<br> <br><br>ok...so what about the OpenOffice people?? Oops..almost forgot those fruit loving vegetarians(Apple Mac users).<br> <br><br>And just for a curve ball with a last minute left dip..I wrote a database years ago using COBOL. It ordered, sorted, colored, columned and printed but didnt make coffee, order lunch for you or park your car!! (it used a good ol comma delimited data file too)<br> <br><br>oh how I love these chats...puts a smile on my dial...<br> <br><br>your turn now...<br> <br><br>hehehehe...<br> <br><br>(me? I've used Access, Clipper, Oracle. Have OpenOffice on my home box(saves $$ and space!) and no, I havent used FileMaker, so cant comment on it. <br><br>Oh, yeah, we also must remember that DB apps can be made with spreadsheets too...just to throw a fly in the ointment here.)<br> <br><br>......must be time to put the kettle on! Got no money left, just paid some bills online.....oh, and told an e-marketing crew to go jump!<br> <br><br>Kent Beveridge<br><br>ICT Co-ordinator, St.Brigids CSC, HORSHAM,Vic,Aus.<br><br><a href="kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au">kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au</a><br><br> <o:p></o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p><b>From:</b> <a href="itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a href="itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] on behalf of Litsa Tzelepis [<a href="htzelepis@msj.vic.edu.au">htzelepis@msj.vic.edu.au</a>]<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 28 May 2011 11:50 AM<br><b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] (no subject)<br><br>oh no!<br><br>so who don't they laugh at?<br><br>{:-|<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>----- Original Message -----<br><br><b>From:</b> Mark KELLY <<a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au">mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a>> <br><br><b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au</a>> <br><br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 28, 2011 11:15 AM<br><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] (no subject)<br><br> <br>People might laugh at Access users, but think of us Filemaker users.<br><br>In the street, dogs laugh at us, children bite us, and accountants poke us with sticks :-(<br><br>On 27 May 2011 19:51, Jenny Gielb <<a href="Tafe@imaginethis.biz">Tafe@imaginethis.biz</a>> wrote:<br>Hi,<br>A lot of IT people laugh at MS Access, they view it as puny and inconsequential. As someone who has made quite a bit of money out of developing MS Access databases for many different businesses, I laugh at them.<br>It is not as secure or reliable as SQL or MYSQL, or as relevant in terms of internet development but it is a very powerful tool. It has the benefit of being already available to anyone with Office, it has a fantastic GUI interface which PHP, .NET, VB, Crystal Reports and SQL do not have. It also has everything in the one package, which none of the others have. It is basically the best available software to train anyone in databases and system development. Once a student understands the concepts of database design, VBA code and front-end screen development, they can easily pick up any other database tool.<br>I agree, it would be more beneficial to teach the students web-based coding and databases, but that is very complex, is changing constantly, and there is so many choices there that you can't decide what to use.<br>I think teaching them the basics of databases and websites is more important, they can take it further if they want later.<br><br>As an Access developer I have never ever, and wouldn't ever use drop-down boxes on tables. Drop-down boxes are for forms and data entry. Don't confuse the issue. Tables are for storing data, forms are for entering and displaying, reports are for displaying data. You have to set up basic forms for data entry anyway.<br>Jenny<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>-- <br>-- <br></span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Apple Casual","serif"'>Andrew Shortell<br></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br><a href="mailto:shortell@get2me.net">mailto:shortell@get2me.net</a> <br>Heidelberg Teaching Unit<br>Ph 9470 3403<br>Fax 9470 3215</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal>Message protected by MailGuard: e-mail anti-virus, anti-spam and content filtering.<br><a href="http://www.mailguard.com.au">http://www.mailguard.com.au</a><br><br><a href="https://login.mailguard.com.au/report/1Cq68L3Oyv/15PzcrKUD2nR9b5HQT3UEX/2.202">Report this message as spam</a> <br> <o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html><br>This e-mail is intended for the use of the named individual or entity and may contain confidential and privileged information. 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