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<FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Hi Mark and others (and aware that Paula and Claudia will read this too!!)<BR>
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Those of you who have marked exams (as I have for over twenty years) will know that this comment is just NOT ON. (all caps deliberate)<BR>
There is vigorous and Robust (remember IPM) debate between markers about what is correct, what is acceptable and what we should accept. <BR>
If you really are worried about what the exam marking people actually do then you should apply to mark exams and actually do 300-400 in ten days.<BR>
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I feel that this comment is JUST NOT ON.<BR>
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On 20/05/11 8:39 AM, "Mark KELLY" <<a href="kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Hi Frank. Yes, question 5a about the critical path is fine. In fact it didn't depend on the Gantt chart at all. <BR>
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It's the 4 marks for the Gantt chart in Q5b that kids may have lost. I don't know how many marks were lost if my kids started task B in day 1 and correctly added dependency arrows to D and E from the dummy task (as they probably probably would have done).<BR>
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It's easy enough to find mistakes in the questions asked in an exam; the problem is that if the markers' <I>solution</I> is wrong, we can't find out until the assessment report is released and it's far too late to do any good.<BR>
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On 19 May 2011 17:29, Russo, Frank R <<a href="Russo.Frank.R@edumail.vic.gov.au">Russo.Frank.R@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:<BR>
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Technically the only problem with the Gant chart is that Task B and A would have begun @ the same time but then there would have been 3 days slack time while A and then C were completed so the answers would still be correct even though the chart has errors.<BR>
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Yet another awesome question from the Examiners well almost?<BR>
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</SPAN><FONT COLOR="#000080"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'><B><I>Frank Russo<BR>
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Monterey Secondary College<BR>
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<FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10pt'><B>From:</B> <a href="itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Mark KELLY<BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 19 May 2011 12:09 PM<BR>
<B>To:</B> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<BR>
<B>Subject:</B> [Year 12 IT Apps] 2010 ITA examiners' report<BR>
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<B>From the 2010 ITA Exam - Question 5B. </B></SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'> I have a belated complaint now that I've seen the examiner's official answer in the assessment report <<a href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vcaa/vce/studies/infotech/it-applications/assessreports/2010/itapps_assessrep_10.pdf">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vcaa/vce/studies/infotech/it-applications/assessreports/2010/itapps_assessrep_10.pdf</a>> .<BR>
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Can someone please point out if I'm wrong, but I think they've badly messed up the answer, and kids will have unfairly lost up to 4 marks.<BR>
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>From the PERT chart ...<BR>
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They asked for a corresponding Gantt chart. Their solution was this:<BR>
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It's obvious in the PERT that tasks A and B are <B>concurrent</B>. <B>B is not dependent on A</B>! <BR>
Yet in their Gantt, they've clearly shown task B as being dependent on A.<BR>
Then, they went on to leave out fact that that tasks E and D were also dependent on task B through the dummy task.<BR>
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I hate to think that my kids lost marks because of these errors by the examiners. <BR>
It's too late to re-mark exams, but it really makes me worry that markers can be given such dodgy official answers when grading papers.<BR>
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