<html><head><base href="x-msg://113/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Thanks for the feedback on this issue. <div><br></div><div>Looks like the test, as is, is practically useless. I'll print it out and get them to do it in class as a short on the spot test. (How I prefer not to use paper).<div><br></div><div>Rob</div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On 03/03/2011, at 3:40 PM, Rob Mercer wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-AU" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="Section1" style="page: Section1; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I make my students keep doing the test until they get 100% then print it as a PDF and submit it to me as proof. There is nothing stopping them from cheating as such but as a revision task it works pretty well.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Rob Mercer<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; position: static; z-index: auto; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: windowtext; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: windowtext; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Margaret Lawson<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, 2 March 2011 7:56 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">itapps@edulists.com.au</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT Apps textbook<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; ">I used to do the same as Stuart, use the online tests as a basis for a written test.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>However, with some questions I would allocate marks for the students to justify why they chose that "multiple choice" answer (2 marks). It also developed the test into something that would take longer than 15 minutes to do.<br><br>Margaret<br><br><br>On 2/03/2011 7:32 PM, Anderson, Stuart L wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">I had a similar issue with the old textbook - they'd click on "check your answers" in one window, then answer the questions in another.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">I made them into word documents and printed them out and had them do it under test conditions. Afterwards I'd get them to switch over, then mark each others work as I call out the answers, and the page number they need to refer to to brush up.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">Stuart Anderson<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">VCE Accounting and IT Applications teacher<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">Kambrya College<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">From: <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> on behalf of Rob Minato<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">Sent: Wed 2/03/2011 3:38 PM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">To: <a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">itapps@edulists.com.au</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT Apps textbook<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">Hi<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">Does anyone else use the online chapter questions for the Potts textbook?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">I've got my class (and same problem also with the Unit 1 online questions) to do the questions but one of the kids worked out today that if he views the source code for the webpage, that the answers are listed. Hardly worth getting them to do the tests (for a bit of revision) if the answers are literally in front of them. Any suggestions?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">Rob<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">Robert Minato<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">Teacher<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 10pt; 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