<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Well</div><div>That's the point I am joking and trying to point out that an email from a school with a title attached is no identity proof.</div><div>So you are better sending sacs to other schools probably by physical means. Addressed to a physical entity. If you don't know the other teacher personally.</div><div>Which of course the people who bantered back with me actually do know me.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br>Royce Williams</div><div>Venerated ancient sage of ICT</div><div>@ St Anthonys college <br><div>Sent from my AppleBerry</div></div><div><br>On 09/02/2011, at 11:37 PM, "Davies, Brett" <<a href="mailto:bdavies@woodleigh.vic.edu.au">bdavies@woodleigh.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Pretty sure that’s his point
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I read the new Guidelines and it is my understanding that Mark and Kevork enforce the law, advise those who break the rules in private and control what’s going
on from last Saturday on.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I for one am sick of the self-righteous BS that fills my inbox from this list sometimes!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It would be far better for all of us to focus on providing resources, discussing challenges, listening to Mark, answering questions and having a laugh and let
K & M follow through and deal with the rest<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The useful and positive stuff that has happened so far this year<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">1: IT Apps book is starting to arrive<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">2: Order form for Marks QATS are in schools<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">3: Vitta resources are out ( though I must admit to problems with looking through their resource database these days with the tag cloud!)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">4: It doesn’t matter if you do AOS 2 in IT Apps first but it does in Software Dev<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">5: Margaret’s nice summary of SAC 1 and the fact she is having a baby!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Can we get back to teaching the kids and having a laugh every now and then and let the enforcers enforce?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If all that happens then there is gonna be less people concerned about contributing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Without getting too soft.. I’m pretty sure 99% of people are here for the right reasons and try to do the right thing, and, while some (including me) may screw
up every now and then, its better if we let non life-threatening mistakes go through to the keeper and the rest….. let K & M deal with in private.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If public apologies are required it will happen after discussion with K & M, I’m sure! ( Can’t think of too many others than me that will need to do this anyway)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My 2 cents!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If you don’t like what I’m saying feel free to email me on the email address in my signature or call me direct.. let’s not bore the rest of the list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cheers to all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Golf Links Road<br>
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T +61 3 5971 6100<br>
F +61 3 5971 1010<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:bdavies@woodleigh.vic.edu.au"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">bdavies@woodleigh.vic.edu.au</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Royce Personal<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 9 February 2011 11:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 IT apps SACs request<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes but if the email is from a school address the odds are 7:1 it's a student.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From <span class="apple-style-span">Netspace it would be a lot less.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Royce Williams<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my AppleBerry<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 09/02/2011, at 2:51 PM, "Allan Barnes" <<a href="mailto:abarnes@aiet.com.au"><a href="mailto:abarnes@aiet.com.au">abarnes@aiet.com.au</a></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">This is perhaps why Kevork emailed around netiquette guidelines for these lists which I suggest we all try to comply with as best we can.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Last year I had an email from a 'teacher' asking for answers to our publications. I was suspicious so I rang the school to find that the 'teacher' was really a student. While these lists are open to everyone, let's not forget that teacher
resources are for teachers, and an email signature coupled with a school email address makes it a lot easier to weed out those that may not really be teachers/educators. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">And given that the person in question has not emailed back to the list one can make assumptions as to who it may or may not be. Perhaps the best thing to do is to email Kevork items such as SACs etc to be uploaded to Edulists where people
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au"><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a></a> [mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Royce Personal<br>
Sent: Wednesday, 9 February 2011 2:17 PM<br>
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
Cc: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 IT apps SACs request</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Well just puting who you claim you are in your signature isn't really proof of ID either<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Royce Williams<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Old grey teacher of ICT<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">@ St Anthonys College <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent from my AppleBerry<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">On 09/02/2011, at 1:55 PM, Kent Beveridge <<a href="mailto:kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au"><a href="mailto:kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au">kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au</a></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> I also concur that we should not send SAC's to members of this list who do not IDENTIFY themselves with name and valid email addresses, and perhaps also, their job title at the school. There are clearly valid reasons for these checks
and balances..so, I for one wont be supplying any samples to non-identified listers. How would I know who they are????<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> We are all professionals on this list, lets treat each other as such with the respect we deserve.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Kent Beveridge<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> ICT Co-ordinator, St.Brigids CSC, HORSHAM,Vic,Aus.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> ________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> From: <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au"><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a></a> [<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au"><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a></a>] on behalf of Howard, David [<a href="mailto:dhoward@stmichaels.vic.edu.au"><a href="mailto:dhoward@stmichaels.vic.edu.au">dhoward@stmichaels.vic.edu.au</a></a>]<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Sent: Wednesday, 9 February 2011 12:09 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 IT apps SACs request<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Here here. Reminds me of <a href="mailto:jagguy@gmail.com">
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> From: <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au"><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a></a> [mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Mann, Warrick D<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Sent: Wednesday, 9 February 2011 11:49 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 IT apps SACs request<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Hi Tong,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> We have recently had a discussion on this on the mailing list. We all<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> suggest purchasing either the QATs and the VITTA practice SAC's.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> On a different note, this may sound rude, but personally I would not<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> send you any SAC's on here as you have not identified what school you<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> are teaching at or using an email address. The presumption may be that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> you are a student trying to get a hold of some SAC's.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Warrick Mann<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Traralgon College<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> From: <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au"><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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