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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Mark,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> Thanks for the warm welcome ( I think ! ). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Please jump in and correct any statements I put out that are not
100% correct as I wouldn’t want to be paddling up the wrong creek in a canoe
full of students. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>That includes anything in my initial email. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>With thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Kevork Krozian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Edulists Creator Administrator<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>www.edulists.com.au<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>tel: 0419 356 034<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark KELLY<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 16 May 2010 4:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] A day is a long time in Education<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Welcome back to the Dark Side,
Kevork!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 12:53 AM, Kevork Krozian <<a
href="mailto:K.Krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au">K.Krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Hi Folks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> I am just empathising with all
these rising stress levels out there . So, I hope this will make you feel
a great deal better.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Having not taught IT apps in the current
study design cycle I have been asked to step in starting next week to take over
an IT Apps class.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> Ok , now for the hard part. Where
do I start ? Surely I have been reading all the posts over the last 3 years on
this list. Well there is reading and then there is reading.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>In the last few days I have reread every
post since late 2006 through the archives and looked at every file posted. It
took about 12 hours – give or take - to step through about 6000 posts. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>In that time I have begun to extract
some serious information about the current issues regarding SAC32 ( I will have
to go back to SAC31 as a revision task ).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Here is what I have found so far:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:20.25pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>1.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I have posted every SAC32 shared on the
lists as well as every contribution related to preparation for SAC32. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:56.25pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>a.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>There are around 5 contributions of
actual practice SACs or activities to prepare students for SAC32 under
Resources on the IT Apps link at Edulists</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:56.25pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>b.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><u><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>There are 6 actual SACs contributed</span></u><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> by your kind and considerate
colleagues. These are under the SACs section of the IT Apps link ( password
needed – apply at <a href="http://www.edulists.com.au" target="_blank">www.edulists.com.au</a>
).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:20.25pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>2.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Harry Schlanger has kindly contributed a
wiki, a readme and a guide, that can be incorporated in the web site of
the prototype of SAC32 called Tiddlywiki posted under Resources as above in
1(a).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:20.25pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>3.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>All the software functions for each SAC
are listed through the link to the VCAA site but more importantly not ALL of
these need to be shown in each SAC for assessment. A selection representing the
majority should be assessed based on what the teacher is comfortable assessing.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:20.25pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>4.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>There is useful feedback outlining the
success or otherwise of SACs audited or checked by the state reviewers.
Again the report is linked through the IT Apps site.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:20.25pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>5.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>There are many helpful comments and
offers of support from a large number of teachers to make life easier for
others.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:20.25pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>6.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>There are a number of teachers needing
more help as they may be first year in IT Apps even if experienced otherwise in
IT or in other methods.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>So, in conclusion I join all those who
are truly doing their level best to give their students every chance to
maximise their results this year. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I look forward to your help and offer
mine in return as we navigate this year together.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Kind Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Kevork Krozian</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Edulists Creator Administrator</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au"
target="_blank">www.edulists.com.au</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>tel: 0419 356 034</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:<a
href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>George Ciotti<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 12 May 2010 3:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List; Robert Hind<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] sac2</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>With all due respect, what you’re effectively saying
is that after all your experience you wont provide Andrew with one of your
SACs? Or one of the SACs that you may have gotten from someone else in the past
and successfully used in your class? <br>
I would give you one of mine if I had one Andrew but I am in the same boat as
other first year ITA teachers. It seems to me that SACs that others have used
successfully in the past or indeed are using currently are few and far between.
Not any on the VITTA unless you’re doing the Software SAC, heaps of those!<br>
<br>
The big question is why? I would have thought that by now there would/should be
plenty. How many ITA teachers are there out there? <br>
<br>
If you don’t mind Andrew, I wouldn’t mind looking at the ones you have.<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance.<br>
<br>
George Ciotti<br>
<br>
--><br>
The University High School<br>
77 Story Street, Parkville, Vic, 3052, Australia<br>
Ph: (03) 9347 2022<br>
mobile: 0412934782<br>
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<br>
<br>
On 5/12/10 11:53 AM, "Robert Hind" <<a
href="http://robert@yinnar.com" target="_blank">robert@yinnar.com</a>>
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>Hi Andrew!<br>
<br>
We've all been down the same road. First time teaching the subject. Not sure
exactly what the study design means! Am I doing the right thing? What help can
I get? Where can I get it?<br>
<br>
That is where the ITApps list really helps. You can ask for help and usually
get it.<br>
<br>
I was teaching IT when the VCE started. We had CATs - and now SACs. Those of us
teaching at that time had to develop our own CATs and SACs - especially in
non-metropolitan schools, where I was teaching at that time, as we had no local
support. The whole Edulists did not exist and there were no commercially
available resources. I am now retired from full time teaching.<br>
<br>
</span><span style='font-size:18.0pt'>So what am I saying to you?<br>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><br>
Don't agonise too much about this SAC. You have two examples already - so,
unless you are not happy with either of them, go with one of those. Modify of
course to suit your students and the software you and they are using.<br>
<br>
The SAC has to allow students to demonstrate the required skills- see the VCAA
Assessment Handbook for ITApps at <a
href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/InfoTechHB_2007.doc"
target="_blank">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/InfoTechHB_2007.doc</a>
<<a
href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/InfoTechHB_2007.doc"
target="_blank">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/InfoTechHB_2007.doc</a>>
<br>
<br>
Then really all you have to do is rank the students in order of their ability
to satisfy the requirements for the SAC. The moderation of the internal
assessments via the exam marks takes care of assessment differences between
schools/teachers.<br>
<br>
Good luck with SAC 2<br>
<br>
Robert Hind (Semi-retired) OOF, GOM (Thanks Kent!)<br>
Ashwood and Traralgon<br>
<a href="http://robert@yinnar.com" target="_blank">robert@yinnar.com</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
From: "Townsley, Andrew A" <<a
href="http://townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank">townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>
<<a href="mailto:townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank">mailto:townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>>
><br>
To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List" <<a
href="http://itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps@edulists.com.au</a>
<<a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au</a>>
><br>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:23 AM<br>
Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] sac2<br>
<br>
> Hi,<br>
> <br>
> I am after another SAC for outcome 2. I have 2 already and really would
like to see another if possible.<br>
> <br>
> A.Townsley<br>
> <a href="http://townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank">townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>
<<a href="mailto:townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank">mailto:townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>>
<br>
> Fountain Gate SC<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a href="http://itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
<<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>>
on behalf of Jackson Bates<br>
> Sent: Tue 11/05/2010 11:16 AM<br>
> To: <a href="http://itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps@edulists.com.au</a>
<<a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au</a>>
<br>
> Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] U3O2 - Ok to code entirely in Notepad?<br>
> <br>
> Hi,<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> This is probably a dumb question, but if a pupil is proficient in html<br>
> and css, can they create their prototype website in Notepad (or Vym, or<br>
> Notepad++ etc). I know the task must be completed using appropriate<br>
> software that can create a website, but does that include something as<br>
> simple as a text editor or must they use Dreamweaver or another WYSIWYG<br>
> type of editor?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Cheers,<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Jackson Bates<br>
> <br>
> Waverley Christian College<br>
> <br>
> <br>
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