Welcome back to the Dark Side, Kevork!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 12:53 AM, Kevork Krozian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:K.Krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au">K.Krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hi Folks,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> I am just empathising with all these rising stress levels
out there . So, I hope this will make you feel a great deal better.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Having not taught IT apps in the current study design cycle I
have been asked to step in starting next week to take over an IT Apps class.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> Ok , now for the hard part. Where do I start ? Surely I
have been reading all the posts over the last 3 years on this list. Well there
is reading and then there is reading.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">In the last few days I have reread every post since late 2006
through the archives and looked at every file posted. It took about 12 hours –
give or take - to step through about 6000 posts. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">In that time I have begun to extract some serious information
about the current issues regarding SAC32 ( I will have to go back to SAC31 as a
revision task ).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Here is what I have found so far:</span></p>
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<p style="margin-left: 20.25pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span>1.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I
have posted every SAC32 shared on the lists as well as every contribution related
to preparation for SAC32. </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 56.25pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span>a.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">There
are around 5 contributions of actual practice SACs or activities to prepare
students for SAC32 under Resources on the IT Apps link at Edulists</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 56.25pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span>b.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span><u><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">There
are 6 actual SACs contributed</span></u><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> by your kind and considerate
colleagues. These are under the SACs section of the IT Apps link ( password needed
– apply at <a href="http://www.edulists.com.au" target="_blank">www.edulists.com.au</a>
).</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 20.25pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span>2.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Harry
Schlanger has kindly contributed a wiki, a readme and a guide, that can
be incorporated in the web site of the prototype of SAC32 called Tiddlywiki
posted under Resources as above in 1(a).</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 20.25pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span>3.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">All
the software functions for each SAC are listed through the link to the VCAA
site but more importantly not ALL of these need to be shown in each SAC for
assessment. A selection representing the majority should be assessed based on
what the teacher is comfortable assessing. </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 20.25pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span>4.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">There
is useful feedback outlining the success or otherwise of SACs audited or
checked by the state reviewers. Again the report is linked through the IT
Apps site.</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 20.25pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span>5.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">There
are many helpful comments and offers of support from a large number of teachers
to make life easier for others.</span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 20.25pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span>6.<span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">There
are a number of teachers needing more help as they may be first year in IT Apps
even if experienced otherwise in IT or in other methods.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">So, in conclusion I join all those who are truly doing their
level best to give their students every chance to maximise their results this
year. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I look forward to your help and offer mine in return as we navigate
this year together.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Kind Regards</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Kevork Krozian</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Edulists Creator Administrator</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">tel: 0419 356 034</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>George Ciotti<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 12 May 2010 3:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List; Robert Hind<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] sac2</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">With all due respect, what you’re
effectively saying is that after all your experience you wont provide Andrew
with one of your SACs? Or one of the SACs that you may have gotten from someone
else in the past and successfully used in your class? <br>
I would give you one of mine if I had one Andrew but I am in the same boat as
other first year ITA teachers. It seems to me that SACs that others have used
successfully in the past or indeed are using currently are few and far between.
Not any on the VITTA unless you’re doing the Software SAC, heaps of
those!<br>
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The big question is why? I would have thought that by now there would/should be
plenty. How many ITA teachers are there out there? <br>
<br>
If you don’t mind Andrew, I wouldn’t mind looking at the ones you
have.<br>
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Thanks in advance.<br>
<br>
George Ciotti<br>
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The University High School<br>
77 Story Street, Parkville, Vic, 3052, Australia<br>
Ph: (03) 9347 2022<br>
mobile: 0412934782<br>
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On 5/12/10 11:53 AM, "Robert Hind" <<a href="http://robert@yinnar.com" target="_blank">robert@yinnar.com</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Hi
Andrew!<br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">We've
all been down the same road. First time teaching the subject. Not sure exactly
what the study design means! Am I doing the right thing? What help can I get?
Where can I get it?<br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">That is
where the ITApps list really helps. You can ask for help and usually get it.<br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I was
teaching IT when the VCE started. We had CATs - and now SACs. Those of us
teaching at that time had to develop our own CATs and SACs - especially in
non-metropolitan schools, where I was teaching at that time, as we had no local
support. The whole Edulists did not exist and there were no commercially
available resources. I am now retired from full time teaching.<br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><br>
</span><span style="font-size: 18pt;">So what
am I saying to you?<br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Don't
agonise too much about this SAC. You have two examples already - so, unless you
are not happy with either of them, go with one of those. Modify of course to
suit your students and the software you and they are using.<br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">The SAC
has to allow students to demonstrate the required skills- see the VCAA
Assessment Handbook for ITApps at <a href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/InfoTechHB_2007.doc" target="_blank">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/InfoTechHB_2007.doc</a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> <<a href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/InfoTechHB_2007.doc" target="_blank">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/InfoTechHB_2007.doc</a>>
<br>
<br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Then
really all you have to do is rank the students in order of their ability to
satisfy the requirements for the SAC. The moderation of the internal
assessments via the exam marks takes care of assessment differences between
schools/teachers.<br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Good
luck with SAC 2<br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Robert
Hind (Semi-retired) OOF, GOM (Thanks Kent!)<br>
Ashwood and Traralgon<br>
<a href="http://robert@yinnar.com" target="_blank">robert@yinnar.com</a><br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><br>
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Original Message ----- <br>
From: "Townsley, Andrew A" <<a href="http://townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank">townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> <<a href="mailto:townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank">mailto:townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>>
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To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List" <<a href="http://itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps@edulists.com.au</a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> <<a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au</a>> </span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">><br>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:23 AM<br>
Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] sac2<br>
<br>
> Hi,<br>
> <br>
> I am after another SAC for outcome 2. I have 2 already and really would
like to see another if possible.<br>
> <br>
> A.Townsley<br>
> <a href="http://townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank">townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> <<a href="mailto:townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank">mailto:townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>>
<br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">>
Fountain Gate SC<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a href="http://itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> <<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">on
behalf of Jackson Bates<br>
> Sent: Tue 11/05/2010 11:16 AM<br>
> To: <a href="http://itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps@edulists.com.au</a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> <<a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au</a>> <br>
</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">>
Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] U3O2 - Ok to code entirely in Notepad?<br>
> <br>
> Hi,<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> This is probably a dumb question, but if a pupil is proficient in html<br>
> and css, can they create their prototype website in Notepad (or Vym, or<br>
> Notepad++ etc). I know the task must be completed using appropriate<br>
> software that can create a website, but does that include something as<br>
> simple as a text editor or must they use Dreamweaver or another WYSIWYG<br>
> type of editor?<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Cheers,<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Jackson Bates<br>
> <br>
> Waverley Christian College<br>
> <br>
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