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I would have thought that was a given. <BR>
The thread began with teachers with little experience in teaching this subject asking for a look at some of the SACs that have been used by other teachers with more experience. But the issue still remains that there are very few examples from which a newbie could learn from or even adapt if they had the time. Especially in ITA. Unless you pay for them. And even then, they may not be immediately suitable. Obviously teachers would like to see what has succeeded in someone else's class and perhaps use this or adapt it to one’s style. Adapting does take time and there is little time to waste in the preparation and understanding of what you will be handing to your students. I am not sure that this is asking too much in the greater scheme of things. New teachers need more assistance that’s all. And even experienced teachers could sometimes do with a fresh approach and this may come from a new teacher’s interpretation or adaptation of a used SAC.<BR>
In some senses, one would think that experienced teachers had a responsibility in keeping this subject alive and fresh, given the enormous possibilities that present themselves within the current ITC climate. And as far as fulfilling the requirements of the study design then I would also say that VITTA probably has a role to play here in vetting resources offered on its website, which I am sure they do. Just that they don’t seem to have that many examples of the current SAC.<BR>
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On 5/13/10 8:17 AM, "Mark KELLY" <<a href="kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<BR>
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Whichever SAC you use, and wherever it comes from, it's still <B>your</B> responsibility to ensure that it fulfils the requirements of the study design. There have been one or two dodgy outcomes let loose in the past that would not have passed VCAA auditing.<BR>
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On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:59 PM, George Ciotti <<a href="ciotti.george.w@edumail.vic.gov.au">ciotti.george.w@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>With all due respect, what you’re effectively saying is that after all your experience you wont provide Andrew with one of your SACs? Or one of the SACs that you may have gotten from someone else in the past and successfully used in your class? <BR>
I would give you one of mine if I had one Andrew but I am in the same boat as other first year ITA teachers. It seems to me that SACs that others have used successfully in the past or indeed are using currently are few and far between. Not any on the VITTA unless you’re doing the Software SAC, heaps of those!<BR>
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The big question is why? I would have thought that by now there would/should be plenty. How many ITA teachers are there out there? <BR>
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If you don’t mind Andrew, I wouldn’t mind looking at the ones you have.<BR>
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On 5/12/10 11:53 AM, "Robert Hind" <<a href="robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</a> <<a href="http://robert@yinnar.com">http://robert@yinnar.com</a>> > wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><FONT FACE="Arial">Hi Andrew!<BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">We've all been down the same road. First time teaching the subject. Not sure exactly what the study design means! Am I doing the right thing? What help can I get? Where can I get it?<BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">That is where the ITApps list really helps. You can ask for help and usually get it.<BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">I was teaching IT when the VCE started. We had CATs - and now SACs. Those of us teaching at that time had to develop our own CATs and SACs - especially in non-metropolitan schools, where I was teaching at that time, as we had no local support. The whole Edulists did not exist and there were no commercially available resources. I am now retired from full time teaching.<BR>
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</FONT></SPAN><FONT SIZE="5"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:18pt'>So what am I saying to you?<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><FONT FACE="Arial">Don't agonise too much about this SAC. You have two examples already - so, unless you are not happy with either of them, go with one of those. Modify of course to suit your students and the software you and they are using.<BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">The SAC has to allow students to demonstrate the required skills- see the VCAA Assessment Handbook for ITApps at <a href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/InfoTechHB_2007.doc">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/InfoTechHB_2007.doc</a></FONT><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"> <<a href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/InfoTechHB_2007.doc">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/InfoTechHB_2007.doc</a>> <BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">Then really all you have to do is rank the students in order of their ability to satisfy the requirements for the SAC. The moderation of the internal assessments via the exam marks takes care of assessment differences between schools/teachers.<BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">Good luck with SAC 2<BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">Robert Hind (Semi-retired) OOF, GOM (Thanks Kent!)<BR>
Ashwood and Traralgon<BR>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:23 AM<BR>
Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] sac2<BR>
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> Hi,<BR>
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> I am after another SAC for outcome 2. I have 2 already and really would like to see another if possible.<BR>
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> A.Townsley<BR>
> <a href="townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au">townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a> <<a href="http://townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au">http://townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> </FONT><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"> <<a href="mailto:townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au">mailto:townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> <BR>
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> From: <a href="itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> <<a href="http://itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">http://itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>> </FONT><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"> <<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>> </FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"> on behalf of Jackson Bates<BR>
> Sent: Tue 11/05/2010 11:16 AM<BR>
> To: <a href="itapps@edulists.com.au">itapps@edulists.com.au</a> <<a href="http://itapps@edulists.com.au">http://itapps@edulists.com.au</a>> </FONT><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"> <<a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au</a>> <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">> Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] U3O2 - Ok to code entirely in Notepad?<BR>
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> Hi,<BR>
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> This is probably a dumb question, but if a pupil is proficient in html<BR>
> and css, can they create their prototype website in Notepad (or Vym, or<BR>
> Notepad++ etc). I know the task must be completed using appropriate<BR>
> software that can create a website, but does that include something as<BR>
> simple as a text editor or must they use Dreamweaver or another WYSIWYG<BR>
> type of editor?<BR>
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> Cheers,<BR>
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> Jackson Bates<BR>
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> Waverley Christian College<BR>
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