<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Andrew, you can't go saying things like that. It blows our whole "industry standard" argument out of the water! How can my Yr 7's expect to get a job in 15 years time without access to the latest you-beaut , enterprise-grade, encryption enabled, cloud-ready package if I can't play with it myself and then teach them?<div>I can't believe this heresy!</div><div>Next you'll be telling me that we could teach ICT with FLOSS only!</div><div>Cheers</div><div>Cameron</div><div><br></div><div>:P ;)</div><div><br><div><div>On 04/05/2010, at 1:42 PM, Townsley, Andrew A wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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</p><p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; ">My issue was we shouldnt be teaching how to use an application package but teach skills instead. Skills can be transferred across packages and this make more educational sense.</span></p></div></blockquote><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><p><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small; "><font size="2">A.Townsley</font>
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<br><p><font size="2">-----Original Message-----</font>
<br><font size="2">From: <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> on behalf of Bane, Janet A</font>
<br><font size="2">Sent: Sat 1/05/2010 4:05 PM</font>
<br><font size="2">To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</font>
<br><font size="2">Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302</font>
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<br><font size="2">Hi all,</font>
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<br><font size="2">When I said "I hope this will be a useful resource for others, and if you have comments/suggestions/tips about Expression Web that you want to share I, for one, would be most grateful" - this wasn't quite what I meant! I think you are all missing the point here. </font></p><p><font size="2"> </font>
<br><font size="2">The point is that there are many different packages out there which people use to do Outcome 2. The web authoring/virtual team SAC continues in the next study design as well. I don't want to debate the merits of each type of software. (my software is better than your software....no it isn't.....yes it is..... - its all pretty childish if you ask me!). In most schools you "get what you're given", and in my case, Expression Web is what I was given to work with. </font></p><p><font size="2"> </font>
<br><font size="2">All I was trying to do was to provide a resource for others who may also be using Expression Web and would like some guidance (as there is nothing out there). Just do a search through the vitta resources with the word "expression web" and see how many you get. As far as EW itself is concerned, I have only scratched the surface, but can see there are a lot of innovations and improvements over Front Page. It is quite suitable for high school student level and as Mark K has stated, the aim of the SAC is not to turn out ready-made web designers, but students who have a good working knowledge of how a virtual team works. They don't need to get too technical. </font></p><p><font size="2"> </font>
<br><font size="2">Finally, you may be surprised to know that many schools are using Expression Web, Dreamweaver or even the old Front Page. If you are in a Govt School, it is likely that you are using MS products (FP or EW) and therefore resources such as mine are probably of interest. For those that aren't, perhaps you would like to upload some of the ones you have developed, Andrew, so we can share some of your expertise as well.</font></p><p><font size="2"> </font>
<br><font size="2"> regards </font>
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<br><font size="2">Janet Bane</font>
<br><font size="2">Patterson River SC</font>
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</p><p><font size="2">From: <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> on behalf of Townsley, Andrew A</font>
<br><font size="2">Sent: Fri 30-Apr-10 5:34 PM</font>
<br><font size="2">To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</font>
<br><font size="2">Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302</font>
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</p><p><font size="2">I really wouldnt bother with expression web or dreamweaver IMHO. </font>
<br><font size="2"> IT isnt a professional product like VWD which you can easily add interactive content and it is free. </font>
<br><font size="2">This will teach actually skills that some students can extend their learning on. </font>
</p><p><font size="2">Next best would be PHP. YOu dont need to code interactive stuff but this will cater for all learners. </font>
</p><p><font size="2">A.Townsley </font>
<br><font size="2"><a href="mailto:townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au">townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a> </font>
<br><font size="2">Fountain Gate SC </font>
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<br><p><font size="2">-----Original Message----- </font>
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<br><font size="2">Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302 </font>
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<br><font size="2">Hi all </font>
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<br><font size="2">I have been dragged (kicking and screaming), into the wonderful world of Expression Web. Our technicians took away Front Page when we upgraded to Windows 7. </font></p>
<br><p><font size="2">The first thing I found out was that there are very few good resources out there, and even fewer people who could actually show/tell me what to do. Lots of stuff had changed (or maybe it hadn't, I just couldn't find it). SO .... after lots of tense moments, I have come up with a set of notes, written for Expression Web users, based on the notes I did earlier for Front Page. It follows the development of the website for Fast Feet, which I'm sure most people are familiar with, if they have the VITTA CD for the current study design. </font></p>
<br><p><font size="2">It is now available on the VITTA site, under the title: Fast feet with Expression web. </font>
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<br><font size="2">It goes through the steps involved in creating and developing the website for Fast Feet. It contains Home, Management, Production, Customer and Bulletin Board pages and a Staff login page as well as some theory questions along the way. The customer page is optional as the website is for the virtual team, however I include it to show students how to use form elements. </font></p>
<br><p><font size="2">I hope this will be a useful resource for others, and if you have comments/suggestions/tips about Expression Web that you want to share I, for one, would be most grateful.</font></p>
<br><p><font size="2">regards </font>
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<br><font size="2">Janet Bane </font>
<br><font size="2">Patterson River SC </font>
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</p><p><font size="2">From: <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> on behalf of Mark KELLY </font>
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<br><p><font size="2">On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Townsley, Andrew A <<a href="mailto:townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au">townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote: </font>
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</p><p><font size="2">Reading the Study Design for unit 302 I am seeing that students need to create a website with 'non-functional' interactive content for a virtual team. Also they need to evaluate it.</font></p><p><font size="2">1)If my students know how to make websites already then what new skills do I need to teach them for this? </font>
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<br><p><font size="2">The webmaking skills are pretty modest, so not a lot of training may be required. That's why I do U3O2 as the first outcome. What the kids do need to know is the needs of a virtual team and how they can be satisfied with a website. That's really what is being assessed (as well as the basic networking knowledge required.)</font></p><p><font size="2">Their site has to demonstrate an ability to help a vt share information and make decisions, and the kids have to demonstrate appropriate tools to achieve those ends (e.g. chat, wiki, forum, shared calendar, security [e.g. a simulated login page to their site], file exchange, team contacts etc).</font></p><p><font size="2">Since most of these tools will have to be simulated because of the restrictions in a classroom environment, their image editing skills will need to be developed so they can doctor screenshots of such tools in action.</font></p><p><font size="2">I can add interactive content with VS2008 VWD ( I hope people are using this or PHP and not dreamweaver/frontpage). </font>
<br><font size="2"> The example SAC's I saw didn't really expand on basic web site building skills. </font>
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<br><p><font size="2">Don't get distracted by spending huge efforts trying to make functional sites: that is not really the point of the outcome. It's about the needs of virtual teams. Software Development is the arena for cracking open VS2008...</font></p>
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<br><font size="2"><a href="mailto:townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au">townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a> </font>
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