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<div>Gee thanks for all those stats....</div>
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<div>I know theyve been going a while..I was also there at the start(or close to it), from memory as one of the earlier users after discovering the lists by accident, I think? Or was it word of mouth? Ahh, so long ago to remember! (back when it was just the
I.T. list from memory methinks.)</div>
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<div>cheers.</div>
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<div>Kent.</div>
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<div id="divRpF847424" style="DIRECTION: ltr"><font face="Tahoma" color="#000000" size="2"><b>From:</b> itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au [itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] on behalf of Kevork Krozian [kevork@edulists.com.au]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 2 April 2010 7:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 IT Apps] Edulists facts, statistics, myths and more<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hi Kent,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"> I thank you for your questions and suggestions. Let me start with some facts about Edulists.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">The breakdown of all the online communities ( or lists ) as of March 2010 follows in the table below.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Some facts:</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">1. There are over 5500 subscriptions. Most are Victorians. There is a not insignificant interstate presence and some overseas membership. Some of these are multiple subscriptions.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">IT apps would be the most active list in subscriber numbers as well as volume of contributions.
</font><font face="Arial" size="2">Within each "list" membership is unique and active. The server removes inactive/failed addresses after about 5 failures.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">2. Edulists was hosted at Forest Hill College beginning in 1996. It was migrated to my home office in 2004. The server lives with me and my family in our home.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">3. IT communities/lists comprise 19 of the 47 lists and occupy about 3200 subscriptions representing about 58% of the presence on Edulists.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">4. The major sponsor of Edulists is the VCAA. You can thank your VCAA representative next time you speak with your manager such as Paula Christophersen for IT or Margaret Mackenzie Manager of VCE curriculum. Without this support,
it would be tough call as to whether Edulists would be here.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">5. VITTA is a long time supporter of the IT communities on Edulists and I am a long time admirer of VITTA due to alignment of mission and goals. VITTA commenced sponsorship in 2005 but is currently inactive in sponsorship.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">6. A number of subject associations sponsor Edulists. These are listed at the home page
<a href="http://www.edulists.com.au" target="_blank">www.edulists.com.au</a> </font>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">6. Comprehensive data regarding downloads and visitors ( including historical data ) can be viewed at
<a href="http://www.edulists.com.au/awstats/awstats.pl" target="_blank">www.edulists.com.au/awstats/awstats.pl</a>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">7. Mailing lists archives show threads and presence of particular contributors.
</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">8. Edulists has web presence for each community/list in addition to an email forum for discussion</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">9. Edulists has had a number of Eduwikis publically available for about 3 years.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">10. Edulists has an upload facility for resources linked from the home page at the top of the tree at
<a href="http://www.edulists.com.au" target="_blank">www.edulists.com.au</a></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Some near future proposals:</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">1. Presence of commercial/private technical solution providers to answer technical questions and make recommendations if asked to do so for individuals and schools as a whole. If a subscriber likes the suggestion they can contact
the solution provider off line to follow up further support and/or to request a quote/price</font> <font face="Arial" size="2">or arrange to meet to discuss further.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">2. Sponsorship to recognise contributions and support of colleagues by teachers. Gifts of laptop, mobile device and other for support provided to others to be recognised annually.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">3. Development of quality support material for teachers either by supporting promotion of existing resources online and/or working on developing new resources.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">4. An advertising portal for ANY teacher to promote any commercial resource they have to offer with an ordering facility eg. text book, booklet, training, SACs, etc</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">5. Further alignment with subject associations to better promote efficiencies in support delivery.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">6. Any suggestions how long time beneficiaries of Edulists can be encouraged to put something back into these online communities ???????</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">7. As Edulists was created to help teachers any other suggestions are welcome.....</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/aghort" target="_blank"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">aghort</font></strong></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">60</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">65</font></p>
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<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">63</font></p>
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<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Agriculture and Horticulture Teachers' Mail List</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">2</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"><strong>vceart</strong></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">8</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">3</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">60</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">52</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">N/A</font></p>
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<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">VCE Chemistry Teachers’ mailing list</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">4</font></p>
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<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/destech" target="_blank"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">destech</font></strong></a></p>
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<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">189</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">172</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">127</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Design and Technology Teachers' Mailing List
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<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">5</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/elearning" target="_blank"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">english</font></strong></a></p>
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<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">222</font></p>
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<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">218</font></p>
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<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">165</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">English Teachers' Mailing List</font></p>
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<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">6</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"><strong>esl</strong></font></p>
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<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">30</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">22</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">N/A</font></p>
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<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">ESL Teachers' Mailing List</font></p>
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<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">7</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"><strong>english-literature</strong></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">49</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">36</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">N/A</font></p>
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<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">English Literature Teachers' Mailing List</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">8</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"><strong>elearning</strong> </font>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">240</font></p>
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<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">180</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">91</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">eLearning Teachers’ Mailing List</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">9</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">18</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">13</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">N/A</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Health and Human Development Teachers’ Mailing List</font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">10<strong><u></u></strong></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">yr11it</font></strong></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">454</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">439</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">455</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Yr 11 IT Teachers’ Mailing List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">11</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/itapps" target="_blank"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">itapps</font></strong></a></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">472</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">498</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">540</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Year 12 IT Apps Teachers' Mailing List
</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">12</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"><strong>sofdev</strong></font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">297</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">299</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">322</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Year 12 Software Development Teachers’ Mailing List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">13</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/java" target="_blank"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">java</font></strong></a></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">129</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">123</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">115</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Java Programming Teachers' Mailing List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">14</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/moodle" target="_blank"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">moodle</font></strong></a></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">190</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">168</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">128</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">The Moodle Users' in Schools Mailing List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">15</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">foundationmaths</font></strong></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">23</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">19</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">N/A</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Foundation Maths Teachers’ Mailing List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">16</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">furthermaths</font></strong></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">52</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">39</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">N/A</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Further Maths Teachers’ Mailing List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">17</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">generalmaths</font></strong></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">42</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">36</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">N/A</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">General Maths Teachers’ Mailing List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">18</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"><strong>specialistmaths</strong></font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">26</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">21</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">N/Add N/A</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Specialist Maths Teachers’ Mailing List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">19</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/philosophy" target="_blank"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">philosophy</font></strong></a></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">41</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">37 </font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">33</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> Year 12 Philosophy Teachers' Mailing List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">20</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/pe" target="_blank"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">pe</font></strong></a></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">172</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">161</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">140</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Year 12 Physical Education Teachers' Mailing List
</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">21</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"><strong><u>psych</u></strong></font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">104</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">95</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">68</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Psychology Teachers' Mailing List
</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">22</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"><strong>studioarts</strong></font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">18</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">7</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> N/A</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Studio Arts Teachers’ Mailing List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">23</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/syseng" target="_blank"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">syseng</font></strong></a></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">69</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">68</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">51</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Systems and Engineering Teachers' Mailing List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">24</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/vbasic" target="_blank"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">vbasic</font></strong></a></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">258</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">224</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">228</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Visual Basic Programming Teachers' Mailing List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">25</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/vcd" target="_blank"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">vcd</font></strong></a></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">46</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">40</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">38</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Visual Communication and Design Teachers' Mailing List
</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">26</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/vels" target="_blank"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">vels</font></strong></a></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">152</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">136</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">96</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Victorian Essential Learning Standards</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">27</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/yr7-10maths" target="_blank"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">yr7-10maths</font></strong></a></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">237</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">222</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">168</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> Year 7-10 Mathematics Teachers'
</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">28</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"><strong>php</strong><b></b></font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">92</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">90</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> 74</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">PHP programming Teachers' Mailing List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">29</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/yr7-10it" target="_blank"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">yr7-10it</font></strong></a></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">355</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">368</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">360</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> Year 7 - 10 IT Teachers' Mailing List
</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">30</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/primaryit" target="_blank"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">primaryit</font></strong></a></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">74</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">71</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">34</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Primary Teachers' IT Mailing List
</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">31</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/vet-badm" target="_blank"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">vet-badm</font></strong></a></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">38</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">34</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">22</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">VET Business Admin Teachers' Mail List
</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">32</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/vet-it" target="_blank"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">vet-it</font></strong></a></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">218</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">213</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">261</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">VET IT Teachers' Mailing List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">33</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"><strong><u>cisco</u></strong></font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">41</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">43</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">78</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> VET Cisco Teachers’ Mailing List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">34</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/vet-mm" target="_blank"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">vet-mm</font></strong></a></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">233</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">231</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> 204</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">35</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"><strong>aries</strong></font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">36</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">36</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">35</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Aries Teachers' Mail List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">36</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"><strong>edugames</strong></font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">94</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">65</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">60</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Educational IT games Teachers' Mailing List
</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">37</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">geography</font></strong></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">34</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">28</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">22</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Geography Teachers' Mailing List
</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">38</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">he</font></strong></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">93</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">90</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">85</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Health Education Teachers' Mailing List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">39</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">iwb</font></strong></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">73</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">49</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">45</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Interactive White Board Users’ Mailing List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">40</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">mathsmethods</font></strong></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">55</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">44</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">42</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Maths Methods Teachers' Mailing List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">41</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">mmcas</font></strong></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">36</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">28</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">22</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Maths Methods (CAS) Teachers' Mailing List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">42</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">opensource</font></strong></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">106</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">86</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">79</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Open Source Software Users’ Mailing List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">43</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">reporting</font></strong></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">87</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">79</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">77</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Reporting Mailing List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">44</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">sharepoint</font></strong></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">30</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">21</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">21</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Sharepoint Users’ Mailing List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">45</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">tech</font></strong></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">136</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">137</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">133</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">IT Technical issues Mailing List</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">46</font></p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><font face="Times New Roman">textech</font></strong></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">39</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">30</font></p>
</td>
<td width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">28</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Textile and Technology Teachers' Mailing List<strong></strong></font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">47</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"><strong>tssp</strong><b></b></font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">101</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">96</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">88</font></p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">Technical Support Scheme in Schools’ Mailing List<b></b></font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="3%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
<td width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
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<tr>
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</td>
<td width="13%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman">TOTAL</font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="7%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Times New Roman">5637</font></b></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="11%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Times New Roman">5237</font></b></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="26%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"> <b>4598</b></font></p>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="35%">
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman"></font> </p>
</td>
</tr>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hope this helps paint a better picture of how and what Edulists delivers.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">As for the 10 hottest topics over the last 5 years, it would be a matter of stepping through the archives and viewing the sizes/lengths of threads.
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">One that sticks out in my mind is the MAC vs PC debate that seemed to grow to about 60 posts. I am not sure who won .....</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Keep well</font></div>
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<div>Kevork Krozian<br>
<a href="mailto:kevork@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">kevork@edulists.com.au</a><br>
<a href="http://www.edulists.com.au" target="_blank">www.edulists.com.au</a><br>
Tel: 0419 356 034</div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><b>From:</b> <a title="kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au" href="mailto:kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">
Kent Beveridge</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="itapps@edulists.com.au" href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">
Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 02, 2010 12:22 PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 IT Apps] Lists stats suggestion mate...Kent</div>
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<div>Hi Kevork,</div>
<div>471 members on the lists? </div>
<div>Any chance of a statistical breakdown by subject? Regular posters compared to Non-regular posters(active vs non-active list participation - based on say, number of posts per month perhaps?).(names not necessary)</div>
<div>It would be an interesting exercise to see the results of such an analysis.</div>
<div>How about a 'top 10' of discussion topics raised over the last 5 years?</div>
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<div>Just a few thoughts.</div>
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<div>Mate, given my use of these lists..I am prepared to 'donate' a small amount for my part of the list usage as it has provided me with a great professional link to my fellow colleagues on a variety of topics/issues.</div>
<div>And, like yourself, I too am guilty of having made a small number of gaffes on these lists..but then, those who know me, already know I usually lead with my chin(not always recommended practise!)....</div>
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<div>keep up the great work and to others reading this...promote these lists and the information they provide!!!!!</div>
<div>To those who just read the lists and rarely participate - we NEED your inputs too! Surely among the 471, there are more than the small number of regulars who have resources and valuable info to contribute..cmon guys and gals..get active and talk to us!</div>
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<div>happy easter folks..</div>
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<div>Kent Beveridge (lister from way back!)</div>
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<div id="divRpF212282"><font face="Tahoma" color="#000000" size="2"><b>From:</b> itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au [itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] on behalf of Kevork Krozian [kevork@edulists.com.au]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 28 March 2010 9:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT Apps study design<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hi Folks,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">It is great advice you give Mark when a controversial email is about to be sent to just let it sit and gather some dust before actually posting. I know I have regretted certain emails I have written in the past and have tried
to correct them to no avail. One in particular caused the accused to be further isolated off line by those who chose one side and continued the attack. When I apologised for the original post and asked the accused to come back - they had chosen to leave the lists upon
my not so subtle advice .... - I was asked to take up the fight against those who had continued the attack off line. So messy , so unfortunate, so unnecessary. I wish I could turn back the clock ... but alas.
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">On a more general point, it is of concern to me that we simply don't get enough of our lurkers to join in our discussions. Latest census shows 471 itapps subscribers. Could it be that they know it all and don't need to ask
anything ? Or more ominously could it be that they are afraid they might be shot down if they make a comment ? Anecdotally, I do hear that some feel their work may not be up to the standard they think is on these discussions and hence do not join in. </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I am working on acquiring sponsorship to recognise contributions and participation on these lists ( I did think the support and professional satisfaction was enough but maybe not, for many ).
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I am looking at a 1st , 2nd and 3rd placement for volume of contributions and support of others over a school year</font> <font face="Arial" size="2">along the lines of a substantial gift for those who help others - a laptop,
a powerful mobile device, etc are my preferences.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">While I work on the sponsorship front, I want to congratulate Roland, Adrian, Robert, Mark and others for their professional handling of this thread. As Roland said we couldn't see the body language when he was typing and as
Adrian mentioned, it took a long, long time to bring together this Study Design that was not so visible to many and the steering committee was of the view every opportunity was afforded for input. The solution to all our woes lies in open honest communication.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Ahhh, first Sunday of our holidays , and we are here working and fighting for the cause. It that a form of the Stockholm/Helsinki syndrome in action ??</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Sending this after waiting the requisite 60 mins in the Drafts folder following Mark's wise words.
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Warm Regards</font></div>
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<div>Kevork Krozian<br>
<a href="mailto:kevork@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">kevork@edulists.com.au</a><br>
<a href="http://www.edulists.com.au" target="_blank">www.edulists.com.au</a><br>
Tel: 0419 356 034</div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><b>From:</b> <a title="rgesthuizen@gmail.com" href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com" target="_blank">
Roland Gesthuizen</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="itapps@edulists.com.au" href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">
Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 28, 2010 6:23 PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT Apps study design</div>
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Adrian and I get on well off-list so this is nothing personal. I apologize if I have offended anybody with a cavalier quip that I'll admit was casually tacked onto my post without thinking. I'll admit exhaustion and complacency, regretting that I ever hinted
an ability to do the interim school reports. It has been good to see this list gain some fire and traction again.
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Robert does raise an interesting point that we need to be careful with what voice we speak with, especially from our signature tags. I don't think that Adrian was writing on behalf of VITTA as President and I wasn't writing on behalf of my school. He is quite
justified to defend the study design team reputation. I guess for this reason, I have been adding a disclaimer to the bottom of my messages so that I am not giving undue authority to my words or posts.
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Regards Roland<br>
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Disclaimer: The views in this e-mail are entirely my own. I'll shout a beverage with anybody that meets up with me next week at the national conference and indicates they are from the study design team. :-)<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 28 March 2010 16:34, Janson, Adrian A <<a href="mailto:janson.adrian.a@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank">janson.adrian.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" color="#000000" size="2">Hi Robert and others,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Robert - you raise a good point - my language was a little strong and for that I do apologise (and also would have been better off-list). I want to categorically state that feedback and discussion is very important and I (personally)
want to encourage that as much as I possibly can. Discussion of the study design only furthers all of our understanding of it.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">It's just that it frustrates me when comments like this are made off the cuff without the right basis. I also think that discussion should be phrased in the right way - positively - rather than negatively. That is, 'I notice
that cloud computing is in the study but I am not sure what the context is? Can someone clarify this for me?'. This would be a fair way to start the discussion rather than saying that there is an omission and implying that no research was done into the topic.
I think that there are some dangers in taking summary documents (such as the one that Mark Kelly has created) and using these are a basis for understanding of the study. The study needs to be read in the context of the key knowledge and key skills - Mark's
summary is a great tool and should serve as a start only.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I think I am a little sensitive to this knowing how much work has gone into the study and the efforts that VCAA have gone to to involve everyone in the process. The study design is really looking exciting - I can't wait to
teach it!</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Cheers,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Adrian</font></div>
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