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set for 2007. Mail your request to <a href="mailto:office@vitta.org.au">office@vitta.org.au</a>
and they will invoice you.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Lappin, Jason M<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, 7 November 2008
12:11 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year
12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Year 12 IT Apps]
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Sorry for the extremely late off topic post, but I have
a student that is completing software development by disatance Ed and he was
struggling to get access to any practice exams. Is there anyone who may be able
to help with this situation?? I have not taught SD and the school hasnt run it
so I have no access to any resources.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Kevork Krozian<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tue 28/10/2008 4:11 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year
12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps]
Mailing lists</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hi Folks,<br>
<br>
The students have searched and found archives of messages.
Currently these are public to encourage interest and participation in these
lists just like the search function on the Edulists site. We could make all
these private and require passwords that people will lose and ask for again and
again ...... No disrespect intended here, just stating what happens in
reality. How bad is it if a student sees a teacher asking a question ? or
learning or expanding their knowledge ?<br>
<br>
The approach I have taken is to make edulists as open as possible
except for sample SACs , exams and other assessment material which lives behind
a password.<br>
There are other closed lists that operate, but you can't find them unless
invited.<br>
<br>
In the 12 years edulists has been running, and more than 100,000
emails later we haven't had anyone scream or bleed or otherwise get into
trouble. <br>
As a teacher as opposed to the Edulists administrator, if a student
of mine found a thread I was in and wanted to ask me what I was trying to find
out or investigate, I would be glad to share with him/her the issue or
discussion and ask for his input or help. In fact, often I mention the content
of some of the threads going on with the lists. There are lecturers,
industry reps, and other non teachers on the lists as well. I<br>
<br>
If a teacher from any part of the world did a search on a
topic and landed on the Edulists site and found it of interest and joined the
list without hindrance or obstacles, that would be a victory for education. To
block access with passwords and hurdles would be a defeat as we want instant
information and would hardly come back the day after if we don't get it
straight away. <br>
<br>
Just my thoughts. I do hope people can see where I am coming from .<br>
Happy to hear other views.<br>
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Take Care<br>
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Kevork Krozian<br>
IT Manager , <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Forest</st1:PlaceType>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Hill</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><br>
k.krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au<br>
<a href="http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au/">http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au</a><br>
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Mobile</st1:place></st1:City>: 0419
356 034<br>
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>>> "Robert" <robert@yinnar.com> 28/10/2008 3:46 pm
>>><br>
Thanks Margaret,<br>
<br>
We do tend to overlook some things.<br>
<br>
We have two choices on this security issue -<br>
<br>
either<br>
<br>
we need to restrict access to the list messages to authorised list members -<br>
don't ask me how, I'm not a security expert.<br>
<br>
or<br>
<br>
we must be careful what we say, so that students or other
"non-members" of<br>
the list cannot gain any "useful" or personal infomation that we do
not want<br>
them to have.<br>
<br>
Answer?<br>
<br>
What do we want? And what is actually possible?<br>
<br>
One of the joys of the Internet, and also one of the biggest problems, is<br>
the open access of information to all of us.<br>
<br>
Where do these lists need to go?<br>
<br>
Robert Hind (Semi-retired)<br>
Ashwood and Traralgon<br>
robert@yinnar.com<br>
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<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Margaret McArthur" <mmcarthur@geelongcollege.vic.edu.au><br>
To: <itapps@edulists.com.au><br>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:21 PM<br>
Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] Re: itapps Digest, Vol 44, Issue 43<br>
<br>
<br>
> Can I just bring to attention to the moderator that these emails can be<br>
> accessed by students. One of my students did a google search and was<br>
> able to bring up an email using my name and edulist.<br>
><br>
> How can we secure these emails?<br>
><br>
> Margaret McArthur<br>
> The <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">GEELONG</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><br>
><br>
<br>
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