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<font face="Calibri">I wholeheartedly agree with Kevork, openness and
availability to all should be an underlying feature of the edulists.
The only issue I see with this is if you use a SAC which has been
emailed to the list, and this issue can be solved by using your own
SACs, or ones which are available via the edulists website or the
VITTA website</font><font face="Calibri"> (which both require a
password)</font><font face="Calibri"> However, I do not see any
objection to students even being members of this list - after all we
should be encouraging "open education" and if a student has the
entusiasm, interest, time and energy to belong to these list then good
on him/her!! We all just need to be aware that whatever we write to
these lists is available to the world - but even that has not stopped
me from occasionally putting big foot in big mouth on occassion!! lol<br>
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Cheers<br>
Ros M<br>
ros.meadows@gmail<br>
Bentleigh Secondary College<br>
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The students have searched and found archives of messages. Currently these are public to encourage interest and participation in these lists just like the search function on the Edulists site. We could make all these private and require passwords that people will lose and ask for again and again ...... No disrespect intended here, just stating what happens in reality. How bad is it if a student sees a teacher asking a question ? or learning or expanding their knowledge ?
The approach I have taken is to make edulists as open as possible except for sample SACs , exams and other assessment material which lives behind a password.
There are other closed lists that operate, but you can't find them unless invited.
In the 12 years edulists has been running, and more than 100,000 emails later we haven't had anyone scream or bleed or otherwise get into trouble.
As a teacher as opposed to the Edulists administrator, if a student of mine found a thread I was in and wanted to ask me what I was trying to find out or investigate, I would be glad to share with him/her the issue or discussion and ask for his input or help. In fact, often I mention the content of some of the threads going on with the lists. There are lecturers, industry reps, and other non teachers on the lists as well. I
If a teacher from any part of the world did a search on a topic and landed on the Edulists site and found it of interest and joined the list without hindrance or obstacles, that would be a victory for education. To block access with passwords and hurdles would be a defeat as we want instant information and would hardly come back the day after if we don't get it straight away.
Just my thoughts. I do hope people can see where I am coming from .
Happy to hear other views.
Take Care
Kevork Krozian
IT Manager , Forest Hill College
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:k.krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au">k.krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au">http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au</a>
Mobile: 0419 356 034
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<pre wrap="">"Robert" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com"><robert@yinnar.com></a> 28/10/2008 3:46 pm >>>
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<pre wrap=""><!---->Thanks Margaret,
We do tend to overlook some things.
We have two choices on this security issue -
either
we need to restrict access to the list messages to authorised list members -
don't ask me how, I'm not a security expert.
or
we must be careful what we say, so that students or other "non-members" of
the list cannot gain any "useful" or personal infomation that we do not want
them to have.
Answer?
What do we want? And what is actually possible?
One of the joys of the Internet, and also one of the biggest problems, is
the open access of information to all of us.
Where do these lists need to go?
Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
Ashwood and Traralgon
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</a>
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From: "Margaret McArthur" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mmcarthur@geelongcollege.vic.edu.au"><mmcarthur@geelongcollege.vic.edu.au></a>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au"><itapps@edulists.com.au></a>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:21 PM
Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] Re: itapps Digest, Vol 44, Issue 43
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<pre wrap="">Can I just bring to attention to the moderator that these emails can be
accessed by students. One of my students did a google search and was
able to bring up an email using my name and edulist.
How can we secure these emails?
Margaret McArthur
The GEELONG College
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