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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>there wont be any pay rise or bonuses until the agreement
has been ratified by the members, so could be a month or two</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>andrew grimshaw</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>colac secondary college</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=barry.chris.b@edumail.vic.gov.au
href="mailto:barry.chris.b@edumail.vic.gov.au">Chris Barry</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=itapps@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">'Year 12 IT Applications Teachers'
Mailing List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 07, 2008 5:00
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Year 12 IT Apps] RE: time to
move on?</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">One more question
though – Does anyone know when the $1000 ‘one-off’ bonus is expected to hit
teachers accounts?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A
href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>
[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Kent Beveridge<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, 7 May 2008 4:46
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> time to move
on?</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Its an interesting
thread we are discussing and yes, many of us are/are not recognized for our
previous experiences/expertise/training etc and, in summary from what I can
read, it seems that on one hand we are being given parity with NSW, but, on
the other (time), we are seemingly not.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Rather than just all get upset,
lets just agree that its good to finally get a bit more, how much?, well, lets
just wait and see when it arrives via our
payrolls.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">sorry guys, but perhaps we better
get back to using this list for our subjects...sound
fair?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Kent.(hows that
Mark?)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-STYLE: italic">email.. <A
href="mailto:kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au">kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au</A></SPAN></FONT></I><FONT
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itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Andrew Grimshaw<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wed 5/7/2008 3:44 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year 12 IT
Applications Teachers' Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t:
Gov/AEU Agreement</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">janet</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">i do not begrudge the pay rise
that expert teachers are getting, nor am i accusing anyone of not working hard
enough</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">i am objecting to the fact that
most teachers have won nothing from the campaign - we have been given the
3.25% that the government offered on the first place whilst giving up some
conditions</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">all teachers should be rewarded,
not just those at the top</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">also, let us not kid ourselves
that 3.25% is a pay rise - it is about 1% less than inflation which means that
the value of our career structure will continue to
erode</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">andrew
grimshaw</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">colac secondary
college</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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title=bane.janet.a@edumail.vic.gov.au
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=itapps@edulists.com.au href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">Year 12 IT
Applications Teachers' Mailing List</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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Wednesday, May 07, 2008 1:28 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
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face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> RE:
[Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>Guys,
Guys! we are getting a pay RISE, not pay cut. I can't believe
you aren't the teeniest tiniest bit happy! Yes, I am one of those
"Expert" teachers who have "stuck around doing the bare minimum for
long enough to reach the top of the classroom teacher scale", but hey,
I do an extra job (computer across the curriculum) and I work long
hours, (last night I left school at 93.0 pm - OK, it was Open night),
am available to students AND other teachers all lunchtimes, recesses, before
and after school, just like you. Trouble is, that our school has only
about 6 leading teachers in a staff of over 80, as they are seen as "too
expensive". So, I think, before you criticise Expert teachers, you
should acknowledge that experienced teachers are the backbone (the "grunt")
of most schools, without the reward of being a leading teacher.
I think most of us are quite happy with the pay rise, although as others
have said, the devil will be in detail.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">just my two cents
worth, <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yes, Andrew. The agreement
is a disgrace. I'm not too sure where Leading Teachers fit if teachers
"at the top" have received the largest pay rise. Leading Teachers, who
have maximum responsibility and (usually) full classroom teaching
loads, have <STRONG><B><FONT face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">proved </SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG>that they are,
in fact "at the top", but are receiving only a fraction of the pay rise
awarded to "Expert" teachers, some of whom have simply stuck around doing
the bare minimum for long enough to reach the top of the classroom
teacher scale. Leading Teachers do not cease to be highly skilled
classroom teachers just because they accept additional responsibility, work
longer hours, be available to students AND other teachers all lunchtimes,
recesses, before and after school . . . To quote one of my esteemed
colleagues: "We have been royally
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itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Andrew Grimshaw<BR><B><SPAN
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">hey
all<BR><BR>>From my reading of it I think the deal is a disgrace. It
benefits those at<BR>the top of the expert range and new gradautes but does
nothing for everyone<BR>in between, who have seen the value of their wages
be eroded over the last<BR>18 months<BR><BR>Again the devil will be in the
detail, but in conversation with the AEU on<BR>the telephone today it was
made clear to me that teachers will not be moving<BR>up levels to gain
parity with NSW<BR><BR>True parity with NSW would apply to all teachers, not
just new ones and<BR>those at the top<BR><BR>That is, if you are a 5th year
teacher in Vic, your wage should be<BR>equivalent to a 5th year teacher in
NSW.<BR><BR>Under my understanding of the deal struck a 5th year teacher in
in Vic will<BR>be paid about the same as a 3rd year in NSW<BR><BR>that
is for everyone in the system and not at the top level we have
gained<BR>absolutely nothing and in fact have lost ground - both in pay and
conditions<BR><BR>I hope I am mistaken - I will be waiting with bated breath
to read the<BR>agreement<BR><BR>Andrew Grimshaw<BR><st1:place
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Original Message -----<BR>From: <stephen@melbpc.org.au><BR>To:
<english@edulists.com.au><BR>Cc: <offtopic@edulists.com.au>;
<itapps@edulists.com.au><BR>Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:26
PM<BR>Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement<BR><BR><BR>>
Victorian teachers to be nation's best-paid<BR>><BR>> Farrah Tomazin
May 5, 2008 - 11:33AM<BR>> <<A
href="http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/05/05/1209839508834.html">http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/05/05/1209839508834.html</A>><BR>><BR>>
The education union has hailed a deal that will make Victorian
teachers<BR>> the highest-paid in the country as the best deal for its
members in more<BR>> than 25 years.<BR>><BR>> The agreement between
the State Government and the Australian Education<BR>> Union (AEU)
resolves a 14-month industrial row, which included three<BR>> statewide
teachers' strikes and weeks of rolling half-day stoppages.<BR>><BR>>
The unions had threatened to walk off the job from May 13 to 15,<BR>>
disrupting during the first national literacy and numeracy tests.
The<BR>> resolution of the industrial dispute means those tests are now
likely to<BR>> go ahead without disruption.<BR>><BR>> AEU Victorian
branch president Mary Bluett said it was the best enterprise<BR>>
bargaining deal for teachers that she had seen in 25 years with the
union.<BR>><BR>> 11% rise for some<BR>><BR>> However, there
appears to be some contention over the increases announced<BR>> by
Premier John Brumby and Education Minister Bronwyn Pike this
morning.<BR>><BR>> The Government says the deal will equate to a 4.9%
pay rise in the first<BR>> year and 2.7% in the second and third years of
the agreement.<BR>><BR>> But the union believes some of biggest
beneficiaries of the deal will get<BR>> between 8% and
11%.<BR>><BR>> "It's a complex arrangement, but the least any teacher
is going to get out<BR>> of this is somewhere between five and six per
cent per annum,'' Ms Bluett<BR>> said.<BR>><BR>> "This is the best
outcome in terms of salary and career structure in my<BR>> history as a
union official of 25 years standing,'' Ms Bluett said.<BR>><BR>>
Pupil-free days to stay<BR>><BR>> A key sticking point in negotiations
was the issue of pupil-free days,<BR>> which the Government had
originally wanted to abolish.<BR>><BR>> Under the new deal, three
pupil free training days will be brought to the<BR>> start of the term
and become professional training days and only one will<BR>> be held
mid-term, in a bid to minimise disruption to parents.<BR>><BR>> It
also includes an exits strategy to remove disengage teachers from<BR>>
classroom and find them new jobs.<BR>><BR>> Secondary students will
get an extra six days of tuition each year under<BR>> the deal, Mr Brumby
said, describing it as a win for students and<BR>>
teachers.<BR>><BR>> "A graduate teacher in <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Victoria</st1:place></st1:State> currently
earns $46,127 and under this<BR>> agreement will become the highest-paid
graduate teacher in the country<BR>> earning $51,184, while an
experienced classroom teacher will receive a<BR>> $10,000 pay rise to
$75,500."<BR>><BR>> Mr Brumby said the pay deal was consistent with
the Government's wages<BR>> policy of a 3.25% rise every year, plus
increases off-set by service<BR>> improvement.<BR>><BR>>
State-by-state teacher salaries:<BR>><BR>> Maximum for a classroom
teacher<BR>><BR>> <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Victoria</st1:place></st1:State> - 2007: $65,414, 2008:
$75,500<BR>><BR>> NSW - 2007: $72,454, 2008: $75,352<BR>><BR>>
<st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Queensland</st1:place></st1:State>
- 2007: $69,225, 2008: $71,994<BR>><BR>> <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">South Australia</st1:place></st1:State> -
2007: $68,422, 2008: $68,422<BR>><BR>> West <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region> -
2007: $67,446, 2008: $71,206<BR>><BR>> ACT - 2007: $71,767, 2008:
$74,279<BR>><BR>> <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Northern
Territory</st1:place></st1:State>: 2007: $70,047, 2008:
$72,849<BR>><BR>><BR>> Graduate Entry<BR>><BR>> <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Victoria</st1:place></st1:State> - 2007:
$46,127, 2008: $51,184<BR>><BR>> NSW - 2007: $49,050, 2008:
$50,522<BR>><BR>> <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Queensland</st1:place></st1:State> - 2007: $46,950, 2008:
$48,829<BR>><BR>> <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">South
Australia</st1:place></st1:State> - 2007: $49,605, 2008:
$49,605<BR>><BR>> West <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region> - 2007: $44,618, 2008:
$45,733<BR>><BR>> ACT: 2007: $50,781, 2008: $50,781<BR>><BR>>
<st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Northern
Territory</st1:place></st1:State>: $49,944, 2008: $49,944<BR>><BR>>
Source: Victorian Government<BR>> --<BR>><BR>> Cheers
people<BR>> Stephen Loosley<BR>> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Victoria</st1:City>, <st1:country-region
w:st="on">Australia</st1:country-region></st1:place><BR>>
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