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<DIV>Refer to page 3 section 1.1.1 (also p. 8 section 1.3.5) of the VCE and VCAL Administrative Handbook 2008</DIV>
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<DIV>Roy Smalley<BR>Access Department<BR>Chisholm Institute of TAFE<BR>PO Box 684<BR>Dandenong VIC 3175<BR><BR>Work: 9238 8496<BR> <BR><BR>>>> "Roland Gesthuizen" <rgesthuizen@gmail.com> Tuesday, 11 December 2007 0:52 >>><BR>Sorry folks, just reluctant to spell out the details of specific issues but I can word this in general terms.<BR><BR>Many months ago I had a specific inquiry from a year 11 student who completed ITA Unit 3 and 4 and struggled with others. After completing their year 11 subjects, they wanted to know if they could go back and tackle Unit 1 and 2 during year 12. As it was, there was little point as they are on the path to have sufficient VCE credits from a LOTE subject they were also studying (thank goodness for foreign language topics) but it did prick my curiosity. <BR><BR>Regards Roland<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 01/12/2007, <B class=gmail_sendername>Robert Hind</B> <<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com" target=_blank> robert@yinnar.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Not sure where you are in that box, cube, sphere, bucket, peck, bushel, . . .! </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I don't know the VCAA answer - but what would be the bloody point in doing units 1 and 2 of a subject after completing units 3 and 4?</FONT></DIV><SPAN>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Robert Hind (Semi-retired)<BR>Ex Traralgon and Ashwood<BR></FONT></DIV></SPAN>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B> <A title=itapps@edulists.com.au onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target=_blank>Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</A> </DIV></SPAN>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Beyond boredom, class numbers, sequence and timetable blocking .. would anything stop a year 11 student who did ITA unit 3 and 4 from doing IT Unit 1 and 2 in year 12? <BR><BR>Just thinking outside the box (cube, sphere or bucket) .. <BR><BR>Regards Roland<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 30/11/2007, <B class=gmail_sendername>Robert Hind</B> <<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com" target=_blank>robert@yinnar.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>This obviously changes over time as the universities, through VTAC, change their requirements and as the VCE changes. The VICTER 2008 manual, the one current for students in year 12 this year states that (pages 7 and 8):<FONT face=Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed> </FONT></FONT>
<P align=left><FONT face=Arial><FONT face=Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed>"no more that two IT studies. . . <FONT face=Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed>can be included in the Primary Four. . . . <FONT face=Humanist521BT-BoldCondensed>IT studies include: </FONT><FONT face=Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed>VCE Information Systems; VCE Information Processing and Management; and VCE VET Information Technology." So it would seem that students doing both this year have been able to count both towards their ENTER and this seems to continue into the future - at least up to 2010.</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></P><FONT face=Arial><FONT face=Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed></FONT></FONT>
<P align=left><FONT face=Arial><FONT face=Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed><FONT face=Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed><FONT face=Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed>Of course this VICTER was written before ITA and SOD started as the VICTER is written for year 10 students planning their courses, ie for this year's year 12s the VICTER 2008 was written in 2005.</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></P><FONT face=Arial><FONT face=Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed></FONT></FONT>
<P align=left><FONT face=Arial><FONT face=Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed><FONT face=Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed><FONT face=Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed>Robert Hind (Semi-retired)<BR>Ex Traralgon and Ashwood<BR></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></P><FONT face=Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B> <A title=itapps@edulists.com.au onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target=_blank>itapps@edulists.com.au</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 30, 2007 2:59 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I don't believe this is correct. The Victer 2010 publication (available from the Career's teacher) page 8 indicates that you can use either IPM or ITA and Info Systems or Software Development in your ENTER calculations.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Ray Drady</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target=_blank>itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A> [mailto:<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target=_blank>itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>McDonald, Debra A1<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 30 November 2007 1:59<BR><B>To:</B> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] Re: Teaching ITA to Yr 11s<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face="Lucida Calligraphy" color=#000080 size=2>here is the problem with that.... the students can only use the score from either ITA or SOD to assist them in getting into the university as I had a student who tried both and it was rejected...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face="Lucida Calligraphy" color=#000080 size=2>hope yours had better luck.</FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target=_blank>itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A> on behalf of Rattan, Kushum L<BR><B>Sent:</B> Fri 30/11/07 1:29 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] Re: Teaching ITA to Yr 11s<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>I offered IPM(ITA) in one year and Info Systems(SOD) in the second to<BR>overcome this problem.<BR>Kushum Rattan<BR>IT Co-ordinator<BR>Gisborne Secondary College<BR>Phone: (03) 5428 3691<BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target=_blank>itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A><BR>[<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target=_blank> mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>] On Behalf Of Meadows, Roslyn M<BR>Sent: Friday, 30 November 2007 12:00 PM<BR>To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<BR>Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] Re: Teaching ITA to Yr 11s<BR><BR>Get them doing a first year uni IT subject???<BR><BR><BR><BR>Roslyn Meadows<BR>ICT Coordinator<BR>Head of Assessment and Reporting<BR>Bentleigh Secondary College | 9579 1044 | 0412 614 062<BR><BR>Please consider the environment before printing this email<BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target=_blank>itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A><BR>[<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target=_blank> mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>] On Behalf Of Russell Edwards<BR>Sent: Friday, 30 November 2007 11:37 AM<BR>To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<BR>Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Re: Teaching ITA to Yr 11s<BR><BR><BR>On 30/11/2007, at 10:53 AM, Meadows, Roslyn M wrote:<BR>> I think what Kent and Roland mean is that you just enrol your Year <BR>> 11's<BR>> into the 3/4 unit, so they do ITApps SAC's and the exam, and at the <BR>> end<BR>> of the year they have one year 12 subject up their sleeve.<BR><BR>Oops, my mistake! That sounds much more sensible, although what do you <BR>do with the kids who want to do 2 years of IT?<BR><BR>Russell Edwards<BR>Whittlesea Secondary College<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR><A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.edulists.com.au/" target=_blank>http://www.edulists.com.au</A> - FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe<BR>IT Applications Mailing List kindly supported by<BR><A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.auvce/studies/infotech/itapplications3-4.html" target=_blank>http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.auvce/studies/infotech/itapplications3-4.html </A>-<BR>Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority and<BR><A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.vitta.org.au/" target=_blank>http://www.vitta.org.au</A> - VITTA Victorian Information Technology<BR>Teachers Association Inc<BR><BR>Important - This email and any attachments may be confidential. 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