Sorry folks, just reluctant to spell out the details of specific issues but I can word this in general terms.<br><br>Many months ago I had a specific inquiry from a year 11 student who completed ITA Unit 3 and 4 and struggled with others. After completing their year 11 subjects, they wanted to know if they could go back and tackle Unit 1 and 2 during year 12. As it was, there was little point as they are on the path to have sufficient VCE credits from a LOTE subject they were also studying (thank goodness for foreign language topics) but it did prick my curiosity.
<br><br>Regards Roland<br><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 01/12/2007, <b class="gmail_sendername">Robert Hind</b> <<a href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
robert@yinnar.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><font face="Arial">Not sure where you are in that box, cube, sphere, bucket,
peck, bushel, . . .! </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">I don't know the VCAA answer - but what would be the
bloody point in doing units 1 and 2 of a subject after completing units 3 and
4?</font></div><span>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Robert Hind (Semi-retired)<br>Ex Traralgon and
Ashwood<br></font></div>
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<b>From:</b>
<a title="rgesthuizen@gmail.com" href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">Roland
Gesthuizen</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="itapps@edulists.com.au" href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List</a> </div></span><div><span>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 01, 2007 8:40
PM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Re:
Teaching ITA to Yr 11s</div>
<div><br></div>Beyond boredom, class numbers, sequence and timetable blocking
.. would anything stop a year 11 student who did ITA unit 3 and 4 from doing
IT Unit 1 and 2 in year 12? <br><br>Just thinking outside the box (cube,
sphere or bucket) .. <br><br>Regards Roland<br><br>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 30/11/2007, <b class="gmail_sendername">Robert
Hind</b> <<a href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">robert@yinnar.com</a>>
wrote:</span>
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<div><font face="Arial">This obviously changes over time as the universities,
through VTAC, change their requirements and as the VCE changes. The VICTER
2008 manual, the one current for students in year 12 this year states that
(pages 7 and 8):<font face="Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed">
</font></font><p align="left"><font face="Arial"><font face="Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed">"no more that two IT studies. . . <font face="Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed">can be included in the Primary Four. . . .
<font face="Humanist521BT-BoldCondensed">IT studies include: </font><font face="Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed">VCE Information Systems; VCE Information
Processing and Management; and VCE VET Information Technology." So it would
seem that students doing both this year have been able to count both towards
their ENTER and this seems to continue into the future - at least up to
2010.</font></font></font></font></p>
<font face="Arial"><font face="Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed"> </font></font><p align="left"><font face="Arial"><font face="Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed"><font face="Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed"><font face="Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed">
Of course this VICTER was written before
ITA and SOD started as the VICTER is written for year 10 students planning
their courses, ie for this year's year 12s the VICTER 2008 was
written in 2005.</font></font></font></font></p>
<font face="Arial"><font face="Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed"> </font></font><p align="left"><font face="Arial"><font face="Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed"><font face="Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed"><font face="Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed">
Robert Hind (Semi-retired)<br>Ex Traralgon
and Ashwood<br></font></font></font></font></p><font face="Humanist521BT-RomanCondensed">
<p align="left"> </p></font></div>
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<b>From:</b>
<a title="DRADR@whc.vic.edu.au" href="mailto:DRADR@whc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">DRADR@whc.vic.edu.au</a>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b>
<a title="itapps@edulists.com.au" href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">itapps@edulists.com.au</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b>
Friday, November 30, 2007 2:59 PM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b>
RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] Re: Teaching ITA to Yr 11s</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Debra</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">I don't believe this is
correct. The Victer 2010 publication (available from the Career's teacher)
page 8 indicates that you can use either IPM or ITA and Info
Systems or Software Development in your ENTER
calculations.</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Ray
Drady</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Western Heights
College</font></span></div>
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<div></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left" lang="en-us"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>McDonald, Debra A1<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 30 November 2007
1:59<br><b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] Re: Teaching ITA to Yr
11s<br><br></font></div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000080" face="Lucida Calligraphy" size="2">here
is the problem with that.... the students can only use the score from
either ITA or SOD to assist them in getting into the university as I had
a student who tried both and it was rejected...</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000080" face="Lucida Calligraphy" size="2"></font> </div>
<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000080" face="Lucida Calligraphy" size="2">hope
yours had better luck.</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000080" face="Lucida Calligraphy" size="2"></font> </div>
<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000080" face="Lucida Calligraphy" size="2">cheers</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000"><span lang="EN-AU"><font color="#800000"><font color="#000000"><span lang="EN-AU"><font face="Lucida Calligraphy"><font size="2"><font color="#800000">Debra
M<sup>c</sup>Donald</font></font></font></span></font></font></span></font></div></div>
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<div><font color="#800000" face="Lucida Calligraphy" size="2">Network
Manager</font></div>
<div><font color="#800000" face="Lucida Calligraphy" size="2">Lyndhurst
Secondary College</font></div></div>
<div><font color="#800000" face="Lucida Calligraphy" size="2">Cranbourne</font></div>
<div><font color="#800000" face="Lucida Calligraphy" size="2">(03) 5996
0144</font></div></div><font color="#800000" face="Lucida Calligraphy"></font></div></div></div>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> on behalf of Rattan,
Kushum L<br><b>Sent:</b> Fri 30/11/07 1:29 PM<br><b>To:</b> Year 12 IT
Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Year 12 IT
Apps] Re: Teaching ITA to Yr 11s<br></font><br></div>
<div>
<p><font size="2">I offered IPM(ITA) in one year and Info Systems(SOD) in
the second to<br>overcome this problem.<br>Kushum Rattan<br>IT
Co-ordinator<br>Gisborne Secondary College<br>Phone: (03) 5428
3691<br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><br>[<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] On Behalf Of Meadows, Roslyn
M<br>Sent: Friday, 30 November 2007 12:00 PM<br>To: Year 12 IT
Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps]
Re: Teaching ITA to Yr 11s<br><br>Get them doing a first year uni IT
subject???<br><br><br><br>Roslyn Meadows<br>ICT Coordinator<br>Head of
Assessment and Reporting<br>Bentleigh Secondary College | 9579 1044 |
0412 614 062<br><br>Please consider the environment before printing this
email<br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><br>
[<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] On Behalf Of Russell
Edwards<br>Sent: Friday, 30 November 2007 11:37 AM<br>To: Year 12 IT
Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps]
Re: Teaching ITA to Yr 11s<br><br><br>On 30/11/2007, at 10:53 AM,
Meadows, Roslyn M wrote:<br>> I think what Kent and Roland mean is
that you just enrol your Year <br>> 11's<br>> into the 3/4
unit, so they do ITApps SAC's and the exam, and at the <br>>
end<br>> of the year they have one year 12 subject up their
sleeve.<br><br>Oops, my mistake! That sounds much more sensible,
although what do you <br>do with the kids who want to do 2 years of
IT?<br><br>Russell Edwards<br>Whittlesea Secondary
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