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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Roland
Gesthuizen<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 24 August 2007 12:35 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Year 12
IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps]
FW: Ultranet<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Say Andrew, I am surrounded on three sides at my school by huge
electrical pylons (its like a scene out of The Castle) and an EduPASS WAP in my
office. I think that I need to start wearing a protective beanie made from
aluminum foil. Will this protect me? <A
href="http://zapatopi.net/afdb/">http://zapatopi.net/afdb/</A><BR><BR>Kevork is
spot on .. although it isn't so much clawing back control as tearing up what
schools have done. I remember a time when we built our network s with no
department guidance, support or vision. At least the Uni up the road was a good
source of inspiration. Is my world going upside down with things being sold off
or ceded to federal or state bodies? Hospitals are next I see. Universities? Are
schools next? <BR><BR>I would be very unhappy if I was told to use any one
Network OS compared to the hybrid network that has suited and grown into the
needs of my school. The technicians I have spoken have similarly expressed
concerns about this shift. What might benefit and support a small, regional
primary school has considerably less merit for larger secondary school.
<BR><BR>I am no fan of major, disruptive changes that shuffle power upwards to
only deliver a hypothetical and incremental improvement. I shudder to think of
the experience of one fab list member who has had enough trouble to just get
their ITA class software working ... extrapolated to the entire state. Brrrrrr
<BR><BR>Regards Roland<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 21/08/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>Kevork
Krozian</B> <<A
href="mailto:Kroset@novell1.fhc.vic.edu.au">Kroset@novell1.fhc.vic.edu.au</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Dear
Folks,<BR><BR> Apparently the first stage of clawing back control
of school IT infrastructures is the Ultranet project. This will centralise all
data as far as who, when and what in all IT activities in a school.
Updates will be pushed out as in edupass. <BR> Stage 2 is to
mandate server hardware and NOS's ( Network Operating Systems
).<BR> Stage 3 is to mandate desktop hardware and OS's.<BR><BR>I
don't know about everyone else but I wouldn't feel too happy if I was told I
had to use one Network OS as opposed to another. <BR><BR>Having spoken to a
number of technicians this is their opinion , so read in all the requisite
disclaimers.<BR><BR>As an aside apparently a parents' group has requested that
edupass be shut down pending a full investigation of the health implications
of the radio waves used in the wireless system on the health of their children
, students and teachers. <BR>If you don't believe me read it in the Age here
<A
href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/classroom-wireless-could-be-harmful-parents/2007/08/16/1186857682342.html">http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/classroom-wireless-could-be-harmful-parents/2007/08/16/1186857682342.html
</A> from last Friday.<BR><BR><BR>Take
Care<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Kevork Krozian<BR>IT Manager , Forest Hill
College<BR><A
href="mailto:k.krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au">k.krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au</A><BR><A
href="http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au">http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au</A><BR>Mobile: 0419
356 034<BR><BR>>>> Mark Kelly <<A
href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</A>>
20/08/2007 7:58 pm >>><BR>I dread to say this, since I am usually The
Cynical One Lambasting The <BR>Establishment (TCOLTE), but...<BR><BR>Dare I
suggest the motives of DE&T are less Machiavellian than you
might<BR>fear?<BR><BR>Could they even have genuinely altruistic
motives?<BR><BR>Yes, I was a part of the Ultranet trial, but that is not the
reason I <BR>say this.<BR><BR>For DE&T to actively counteract any motive
force in a pre-emptive and<BR>self-satisfying manner is to assume they have a
motive for doing so...<BR>and when have they shown any signs of oppressing
Moodlish installations <BR>in schools?<BR><BR>Could it be that they are in
fact trying to satisfy a need in schools<BR>that some pioneers have already
explored with Moodling, or equivalent?<BR><BR>I'm not getting paid for this,
but I'm holding off pre-emptive criticism <BR>until I see the beast that's
provided for me to ride.<BR><BR>Etc<BR><BR>Mark<BR><BR>Stephen Digby
wrote:<BR>> Yes.<BR>> The current review of government school intranets
is the first step in<BR>> the claw back of control of school IT. <BR>>
They are starting with requiring schools to document their networks
and<BR>> redesign them under a single blueprint.<BR>> Under the guise of
security they will then shut down "unsupported"<BR>> external access tools
like moodle. <BR>> To justify the ridiculous expenditure on UltraNet, they
will require all<BR>> schools to use it, thus making maintenance of other
tools a costly<BR>> duplication rather than an alternative.<BR>> Any
deficiencies in the system will be met with either denial or more <BR>>
wasted investment....<BR>><BR>> Hear this before ?<BR>><BR>> Heard
of "CASES" ?<BR>><BR>>
====================================================<BR>> Stephen Digby,
Learning Technology Manager <BR>> mailto: <A
href="mailto:admin@cheltsec.vic.edu.au">admin@cheltsec.vic.edu.au</A>
<mailto:<A
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==================================================== <BR>> Too many of us
look upon Americans as dollar chasers. This is a cruel<BR>> libel, even if
it is reiterated thoughtlessly by the Americans<BR>> themselves. Albert
Einstein<BR>><BR>>
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<BR>> *From:* <A
href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A><BR>>
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*On Behalf Of *Andrew Grimshaw <BR>> *Sent:* Monday, 20 August 2007 3:27
PM<BR>> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<BR>>
*Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] FW: Ultranet<BR>><BR>> Am i silly to
assume that we will be able run our moodels as well as the <BR>> ultranet?
- i cant think of any reason why we couldn't<BR>><BR>> andrew
grimshaw<BR>> colac college<BR>><BR>> -----
Original Message -----<BR>> *From:* Roland
Gesthuizen <mailto:<A href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com">
rgesthuizen@gmail.com</A>><BR>> *Newsgroups:*
local.it.itapps<BR>> *To:* Year 12 IT Applications
Teachers' Mailing List<BR>> <mailto:<A
href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">itapps@edulists.com.au
</A>><BR>> *Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2007 1:37
PM<BR>> *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] FW:
Ultranet<BR>><BR>> Hmm, they didn't answer the
$M60 question asked.<BR>><BR>> Oddly enough,
they invited Laurie to download the tender. Cute :-)
<BR>><BR>> It would be an interesting to post a
tender response.<BR>><BR>> A survey is nice, but
I wonder at the depth and level of<BR>>
consultation with the subject associations and professional groups
<BR>> already doing cool activities with tools such
as Moodle. This is<BR>> about teaching and
learning, not just worksheets, software and<BR>>
bandwidth. For now, we we can only speculate at the deeper
<BR>> educational pedagogy and research that
underpins this centralist<BR>> model for networked
service delivery. Anybody who can predict the<BR>>
world beyond 2017 is a fool. I'm certainly not holding my breath.
<BR>><BR>> It is really great to see ALL the
different learning tools we are<BR>> all using and
engaged by the exciting things that are
happening.<BR>> Only last week, a new teacher was
posted here a swag of ideas from <BR>> MS
Sharepoint users. Thats cool! There is a very real strength
in<BR>> our current diversity of tools, teaching
styles and innovative<BR>> solutions, many in spite
of poor funding or administrative hurdles. <BR>>
The VITTA annual conference is a celebration of these
success<BR>> stories by a community of practicing
educators.<BR>><BR>> Should we be concerned
about an all embracing, centralist model for <BR>>
networked service delivery for Victorian state schools? I suppose
we<BR>> could be proactive and engage with the
tender process .. or keep on<BR>> doing the fun
stuff that engages and teaches our students :-)
<BR>><BR>> Regards
Roland<BR>><BR>> On 20/08/07, *Laurie Savage*
<<A
href="mailto:sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au">sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au</A><BR>>
<mailto:<A href="mailto:sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au">sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au
</A>>>
wrote:<BR>><BR>> I
emailed the Ultranet people, here is their
reply.<BR>><BR>>
Laurie<BR>><BR>>
-----Original
Message-----<BR>> From:
Quach, Tam T [mailto: <A
href="mailto:quach.tam.t@edumail.vic.gov.au">quach.tam.t@edumail.vic.gov.au</A><BR>>
<mailto:<A
href="mailto:quach.tam.t@edumail.vic.gov.au">quach.tam.t@edumail.vic.gov.au</A>>]
On Behalf Of<BR>> Ultranet
<BR>> Sent: Monday, 20
August 2007 9:28 AM<BR>>
To: <A href="mailto:sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au">sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au</A> <mailto:<A
href="mailto:sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au">sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au</A>><BR>>
Subject: RE: Ultranet
<BR>><BR>> Hi
Laurie<BR>><BR>> Thank
you for your enquiry of 17 August 2007 regarding
the<BR>>
Ultranet.<BR>><BR>> The
Department of Education is aware that some schools are using
<BR>>
learning<BR>> management
systems such as Moodle. Please refer to
section<BR>> 8.1.20 of
the<BR>> Request for Tender
specifications
below:<BR>><BR>> 8.1.20
Learning Management Systems
<BR>> A few Victorian
government schools have made investments
in<BR>> third
party<BR>> learning
management solutions. Solutions include (but are
not<BR>> limited
to)<BR>> Edumate, My
Classes, Scholaris, Studywiz, Moodle, Blackboard and
<BR>>
other<BR>> custom developed
intranet solutions. The solutions
are<BR>> implemented
within<BR>> schools'
curriculum network environment. DoE is in the
process<BR>> of conducting
<BR>> an extensive survey
of existing applications in use at
schools<BR>> to assist
in<BR>> formulating the
data conversion and change management
strategies.<BR>><BR>>
Learning management systems, however, are only one component of the
<BR>>
Ultranet. The other components
include:<BR>><BR>> .
Strategy<BR>> . Learning
and Teaching
Management<BR>> .
Administration<BR>> .
Collaboration<BR>> .
Student Information <BR>> .
Staff Information<BR>> .
School Information<BR>> .
Reporting<BR>> .
Productivity Tools<BR>> .
Architecture<BR>> .
Security<BR>> . Standards
<BR>> . Change
Management<BR>> .
Development and
Implementation<BR>> .
Service Hosting, Operational Support and
Maintenance<BR>><BR>>
The Ultranet Request for Tender was released publicly on 1
<BR>> August
2007. You<BR>>
can the Ultranet RFT from the Victorian Government Tenders
web<BR>> site
at<BR>> <A
href="http://www.tenders.vic.gov.au">www.tenders.vic.gov.au</A> < <A
href="http://www.tenders.vic.gov.au">http://www.tenders.vic.gov.au</A>>. Search<BR>>
for 'Ultranet'. You will need to register
on<BR>> the site in order
to download the document.<BR>>
<BR>> I hope this answers
your question.<BR>><BR>>
Regards<BR>> Tam
Quach<BR>><BR>>
-----Original
Message-----<BR>> From:
Laurie Savage [mailto:<A href="mailto:sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au">
sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au</A><BR>>
<mailto:<A
href="mailto:sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au">sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au</A>>]<BR>>
Sent: Friday, 17 August 2007 3:35
PM<BR>> To:
Ultranet<BR>> Subject:
Ultranet <BR>><BR>> We
are already using a colloborative, intuitive
e-learning<BR>> system that
is<BR>> under constant
development and improvement. We use it for
VELS<BR>> and
VCE<BR>> cources. It is
free, open source and can be tailored to
local<BR>> needs. It
is<BR>> written in PHP and
uses a free backend database. It is
called<BR>> Moodle.
Does<BR>> the state need to
spend $M60 to implement an untried alternative?
<BR>><BR>> Laurie
Savage<BR>> ICT/Comm. Tech.
Teacher,<BR>> Pascoe Vale
Girls College<BR>><BR>>
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