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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046395107-20082007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Yes.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046395107-20082007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The current review of government school intranets is the
first step in the claw back of control of school IT.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046395107-20082007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>They are starting with requiring schools to document their
networks and redesign them under a single blueprint.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046395107-20082007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Under the guise of security they will then shut down
"unsupported" external access tools like moodle.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046395107-20082007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>To justify the ridiculous expenditure on UltraNet, they
will require all schools to use it, thus making maintenance of other tools a
costly duplication rather than an alternative.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046395107-20082007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Any deficiencies in the system will be met with either
denial or more wasted investment....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046395107-20082007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046395107-20082007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Hear this before ? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046395107-20082007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046395107-20082007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Heard of "CASES" ?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046395107-20082007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046395107-20082007><FONT face=tahoma
size=2>====================================================<BR>Stephen Digby,
Learning Technology Manager<BR>mailto: <A
href="mailto:admin@cheltsec.vic.edu.au">admin@cheltsec.vic.edu.au</A>
<BR>Cheltenham Secondary College <A
href="http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au/">www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au</A><BR>Ph: 613
955 55 955 Fx: 9555 8617 Mb:
0431-701-028<BR>====================================================<BR>Too many
of us look upon Americans as dollar chasers. This is a cruel libel, even if it
is reiterated thoughtlessly by the Americans themselves. Albert Einstein
<BR></FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Andrew
Grimshaw<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, 20 August 2007 3:27 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Year 12 IT
Applications Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] FW:
Ultranet<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Am i silly to assume that we will be able run our moodels
as well as the ultranet? - i cant think of any reason why we
couldn't</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>andrew grimshaw</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>colac college</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rgesthuizen@gmail.com href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com">Roland
Gesthuizen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Newsgroups:</B> local.it.itapps</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=itapps@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 20, 2007 1:37
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] FW:
Ultranet</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hmm, they didn't answer the $M60 question asked. <BR><BR>Oddly
enough, they invited Laurie to download the tender. Cute :-)<BR><BR>It would
be an interesting to post a tender response.<BR><BR>A survey is nice, but I
wonder at the depth and level of consultation with the subject associations
and professional groups already doing cool activities with tools such as
Moodle. This is about teaching and learning, not just worksheets, software and
bandwidth. For now, we we can only speculate at the deeper educational
pedagogy and research that underpins this centralist model for networked
service delivery. Anybody who can predict the world beyond 2017 is a fool. I'm
certainly not holding my breath.<BR><BR>It is really great to see ALL the
different learning tools we are all using and engaged by the exciting things
that are happening. Only last week, a new teacher was posted here a swag of
ideas from MS Sharepoint users. Thats cool! There is a very real strength in
our current diversity of tools, teaching styles and innovative solutions, many
in spite of poor funding or administrative hurdles. The VITTA annual
conference is a celebration of these success stories by a community of
practicing educators. <BR><BR>Should we be concerned about an all embracing,
centralist model for networked service delivery for Victorian state schools? I
suppose we could be proactive and engage with the tender process .. or keep on
doing the fun stuff that engages and teaches our students :-) <BR><BR>Regards
Roland<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 20/08/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>Laurie
Savage</B> <<A
href="mailto:sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au">sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">I
emailed the Ultranet people, here is their
reply.<BR><BR>Laurie<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Quach, Tam T
[mailto:<A
href="mailto:quach.tam.t@edumail.vic.gov.au">quach.tam.t@edumail.vic.gov.au</A>]
On Behalf Of <BR>Ultranet<BR>Sent: Monday, 20 August 2007 9:28 AM<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au">sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au</A><BR>Subject: RE:
Ultranet<BR><BR>Hi Laurie<BR><BR>Thank you for your enquiry of 17 August
2007 regarding the Ultranet. <BR><BR>The Department of Education is aware
that some schools are using learning<BR>management systems such as
Moodle. Please refer to section 8.1.20 of the<BR>Request for
Tender specifications below:<BR><BR>8.1.20 Learning Management Systems <BR>A
few Victorian government schools have made investments in third
party<BR>learning management solutions. Solutions include (but are not
limited to)<BR>Edumate, My Classes, Scholaris, Studywiz, Moodle, Blackboard
and other <BR>custom developed intranet solutions. The solutions
are implemented within<BR>schools' curriculum network environment. DoE is in
the process of conducting<BR>an extensive survey of existing applications in
use at schools to assist in <BR>formulating the data conversion and change
management strategies.<BR><BR>Learning management systems, however, are only
one component of the<BR>Ultranet. The other components
include:<BR><BR>. Strategy<BR>. Learning and Teaching Management <BR>.
Administration<BR>. Collaboration<BR>. Student Information<BR>. Staff
Information<BR>. School Information<BR>. Reporting<BR>. Productivity
Tools<BR>. Architecture<BR>. Security<BR>. Standards<BR>. Change
Management<BR>. Development and Implementation<BR>. Service Hosting,
Operational Support and Maintenance<BR><BR>The Ultranet Request for Tender
was released publicly on 1 August 2007. You<BR>can the Ultranet
RFT from the Victorian Government Tenders web site at <BR><A
href="http://www.tenders.vic.gov.au">www.tenders.vic.gov.au</A>. Search
for 'Ultranet'. You will need to register on<BR>the site in order to
download the document.<BR><BR>I hope this answers your question.
<BR><BR>Regards<BR>Tam Quach<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
Laurie Savage [mailto:<A
href="mailto:sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au">sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au</A>]<BR>Sent: Friday,
17 August 2007 3:35 PM<BR>To: Ultranet<BR>Subject: Ultranet <BR><BR>We are
already using a colloborative, intuitive e-learning system that is<BR>under
constant development and improvement. We use it for VELS and VCE<BR>cources.
It is free, open source and can be tailored to local needs. It is
<BR>written in PHP and uses a free backend database. It is called Moodle.
Does<BR>the state need to spend $M60 to implement an untried
alternative?<BR><BR>Laurie Savage<BR>ICT/Comm. Tech. Teacher,<BR>Pascoe Vale
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