[Year 12 IT Apps] U302
Davies, Brett
bdavies at woodleigh.vic.edu.au
Tue May 4 15:47:30 EST 2010
Arrgh!
Janet, thanks for providing the resources sorely needed for Expression Web to assist teachers to cover all of the required skills for Unit 3.
Much appreciated!
As for PHP/MSQL use wampserver or the MoWeS Portable package that ken mentioned the other day ( http://www.chsoftware.net/en/mowes/mowesportable/mowes.htm )
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Townsley, Andrew A
Sent: Tuesday, 4 May 2010 3:21 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302
Hi,
Well no they are different. Yes many packages can do html/CSS. Then it comes down to interactive content and skills. VWD can also use asp.net pages which is very common with paid work and so is php. Dreamweaver/EW on their own is limiting. VWD is made by the same company as EW.
You can extend students easily and in the end you are providing a better educational framework IMHO.
A.Townsley
townsley.andrew.a at edumail.vic.gov.au
Fountain Gate SC
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Bane, Janet A
Sent: Tue 4/05/2010 2:51 PM
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Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302
Andrew,
I appreciate you have a passion for VWD. That's great! Did you know that Expression web also has a facility to view the html code and use css? In fact, I explain how to use the css files in the first part of my tutorial. Once they start using them, students understand what they are and how they are useful. Once learned, this skill could easily be transferred. EW also uses dwt (dynamic web template) files, which perform a similar function in that they are master templates which can then be edited/changed to suit the user's needs and then applied to all attached files.
I guess its "horses for courses". You obviously like VWD, I prefer EW. I would love to know what people at other schools are using - are there any other EW users out there or am I the only one?
regards
Janet Bane
Patterson River SC
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Townsley, Andrew A
Sent: Tue 04-May-10 1:42 PM
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Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302
Hi,
YOu can download VWD for free as there is an express edition and so is PHP.
My issue was we shouldnt be teaching how to use an application package but teach skills instead. Skills can be transferred across packages and this make more educational sense. For Yr12 I believe students will benefit the most with this learning. Teach them html/Css and for interactive content place a few controls on screen and extend those who can. VWD is great for this (and has a WYSIWG and covers all bases)and to a point so is PHP.
A.Townsley
townsley.andrew.a at edumail.vic.gov.au
Fountain Gate SC
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Bane, Janet A
Sent: Sat 1/05/2010 4:05 PM
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Hi all,
When I said "I hope this will be a useful resource for others, and if you have comments/suggestions/tips about Expression Web that you want to share I, for one, would be most grateful" - this wasn't quite what I meant! I think you are all missing the point here.
The point is that there are many different packages out there which people use to do Outcome 2. The web authoring/virtual team SAC continues in the next study design as well. I don't want to debate the merits of each type of software. (my software is better than your software....no it isn't.....yes it is..... - its all pretty childish if you ask me!). In most schools you "get what you're given", and in my case, Expression Web is what I was given to work with.
All I was trying to do was to provide a resource for others who may also be using Expression Web and would like some guidance (as there is nothing out there). Just do a search through the vitta resources with the word "expression web" and see how many you get. As far as EW itself is concerned, I have only scratched the surface, but can see there are a lot of innovations and improvements over Front Page. It is quite suitable for high school student level and as Mark K has stated, the aim of the SAC is not to turn out ready-made web designers, but students who have a good working knowledge of how a virtual team works. They don't need to get too technical.
Finally, you may be surprised to know that many schools are using Expression Web, Dreamweaver or even the old Front Page. If you are in a Govt School, it is likely that you are using MS products (FP or EW) and therefore resources such as mine are probably of interest. For those that aren't, perhaps you would like to upload some of the ones you have developed, Andrew, so we can share some of your expertise as well.
regards
Janet Bane
Patterson River SC
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Townsley, Andrew A
Sent: Fri 30-Apr-10 5:34 PM
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Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] U302
Hi,
I really wouldnt bother with expression web or dreamweaver IMHO.
IT isnt a professional product like VWD which you can easily add interactive content and it is free.
This will teach actually skills that some students can extend their learning on.
Next best would be PHP. YOu dont need to code interactive stuff but this will cater for all learners.
A.Townsley
townsley.andrew.a at edumail.vic.gov.au
Fountain Gate SC
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Bane, Janet A
Sent: Fri 30/04/2010 4:24 PM
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Hi all
I have been dragged (kicking and screaming), into the wonderful world of Expression Web. Our technicians took away Front Page when we upgraded to Windows 7.
The first thing I found out was that there are very few good resources out there, and even fewer people who could actually show/tell me what to do. Lots of stuff had changed (or maybe it hadn't, I just couldn't find it). SO .... after lots of tense moments, I have come up with a set of notes, written for Expression Web users, based on the notes I did earlier for Front Page. It follows the development of the website for Fast Feet, which I'm sure most people are familiar with, if they have the VITTA CD for the current study design.
It is now available on the VITTA site, under the title: Fast feet with Expression web.
It goes through the steps involved in creating and developing the website for Fast Feet. It contains Home, Management, Production, Customer and Bulletin Board pages and a Staff login page as well as some theory questions along the way. The customer page is optional as the website is for the virtual team, however I include it to show students how to use form elements.
I hope this will be a useful resource for others, and if you have comments/suggestions/tips about Expression Web that you want to share I, for one, would be most grateful.
regards
Janet Bane
Patterson River SC
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Mark KELLY
Sent: Thu 29-Apr-10 8:25 AM
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On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Townsley, Andrew A <townsley.andrew.a at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
Hi,
Reading the Study Design for unit 302 I am seeing that students need to create a website with 'non-functional' interactive content for a virtual team. Also they need to evaluate it.
1)If my students know how to make websites already then what new skills do I need to teach them for this?
The webmaking skills are pretty modest, so not a lot of training may be required. That's why I do U3O2 as the first outcome. What the kids do need to know is the needs of a virtual team and how they can be satisfied with a website. That's really what is being assessed (as well as the basic networking knowledge required.)
Their site has to demonstrate an ability to help a vt share information and make decisions, and the kids have to demonstrate appropriate tools to achieve those ends (e.g. chat, wiki, forum, shared calendar, security [e.g. a simulated login page to their site], file exchange, team contacts etc).
Since most of these tools will have to be simulated because of the restrictions in a classroom environment, their image editing skills will need to be developed so they can doctor screenshots of such tools in action.
I can add interactive content with VS2008 VWD ( I hope people are using this or PHP and not dreamweaver/frontpage).
The example SAC's I saw didn't really expand on basic web site building skills.
Don't get distracted by spending huge efforts trying to make functional sites: that is not really the point of the outcome. It's about the needs of virtual teams. Software Development is the arena for cracking open VS2008...
A.Townsley
townsley.andrew.a at edumail.vic.gov.au
Fountain Gate SC
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