[Year 12 IT Apps] FW: Ultranet
Laurie Savage
sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au
Fri Aug 24 12:19:01 EST 2007
You'll probably need an alfoil coated cricket protector as well - worn
outside the shorts! Hmm, thinks: would a lead shielded sporran do?
Laurie
On Fri, Aug 24, 2007 at 12:34:32AM +1000, Roland Gesthuizen mentioned:
> Say Andrew, I am surrounded on three sides at my school by huge electrical
> pylons (its like a scene out of The Castle) and an EduPASS WAP in my office.
> I think that I need to start wearing a protective beanie made from aluminum
> foil. Will this protect me? http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
>
> Kevork is spot on .. although it isn't so much clawing back control as
> tearing up what schools have done. I remember a time when we built our
> network s with no department guidance, support or vision. At least the Uni
> up the road was a good source of inspiration. Is my world going upside down
> with things being sold off or ceded to federal or state bodies? Hospitals
> are next I see. Universities? Are schools next?
>
> I would be very unhappy if I was told to use any one Network OS compared to
> the hybrid network that has suited and grown into the needs of my school.
> The technicians I have spoken have similarly expressed concerns about this
> shift. What might benefit and support a small, regional primary school has
> considerably less merit for larger secondary school.
>
> I am no fan of major, disruptive changes that shuffle power upwards to only
> deliver a hypothetical and incremental improvement. I shudder to think of
> the experience of one fab list member who has had enough trouble to just get
> their ITA class software working ... extrapolated to the entire state.
> Brrrrrr
>
> Regards Roland
>
> On 21/08/07, Kevork Krozian <Kroset at novell1.fhc.vic.edu.au> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Folks,
> >
> > Apparently the first stage of clawing back control of school IT
> > infrastructures is the Ultranet project. This will centralise all data as
> > far as who, when and what in all IT activities in a school. Updates will be
> > pushed out as in edupass.
> > Stage 2 is to mandate server hardware and NOS's ( Network Operating
> > Systems ).
> > Stage 3 is to mandate desktop hardware and OS's.
> >
> > I don't know about everyone else but I wouldn't feel too happy if I was
> > told I had to use one Network OS as opposed to another.
> >
> > Having spoken to a number of technicians this is their opinion , so read
> > in all the requisite disclaimers.
> >
> > As an aside apparently a parents' group has requested that edupass be shut
> > down pending a full investigation of the health implications of the radio
> > waves used in the wireless system on the health of their children , students
> > and teachers.
> > If you don't believe me read it in the Age here
> > http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/classroom-wireless-could-be-harmful-parents/2007/08/16/1186857682342.html
> > from last Friday.
> >
> >
> > Take Care
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kevork Krozian
> > IT Manager , Forest Hill College
> > k.krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au
> > http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au
> > Mobile: 0419 356 034
> >
> > >>> Mark Kelly <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au> 20/08/2007 7:58 pm >>>
> > I dread to say this, since I am usually The Cynical One Lambasting The
> > Establishment (TCOLTE), but...
> >
> > Dare I suggest the motives of DE&T are less Machiavellian than you might
> > fear?
> >
> > Could they even have genuinely altruistic motives?
> >
> > Yes, I was a part of the Ultranet trial, but that is not the reason I
> > say this.
> >
> > For DE&T to actively counteract any motive force in a pre-emptive and
> > self-satisfying manner is to assume they have a motive for doing so...
> > and when have they shown any signs of oppressing Moodlish installations
> > in schools?
> >
> > Could it be that they are in fact trying to satisfy a need in schools
> > that some pioneers have already explored with Moodling, or equivalent?
> >
> > I'm not getting paid for this, but I'm holding off pre-emptive criticism
> > until I see the beast that's provided for me to ride.
> >
> > Etc
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Stephen Digby wrote:
> > > Yes.
> > > The current review of government school intranets is the first step in
> > > the claw back of control of school IT.
> > > They are starting with requiring schools to document their networks and
> > > redesign them under a single blueprint.
> > > Under the guise of security they will then shut down "unsupported"
> > > external access tools like moodle.
> > > To justify the ridiculous expenditure on UltraNet, they will require all
> > > schools to use it, thus making maintenance of other tools a costly
> > > duplication rather than an alternative.
> > > Any deficiencies in the system will be met with either denial or more
> > > wasted investment....
> > >
> > > Hear this before ?
> > >
> > > Heard of "CASES" ?
> > >
> > > ====================================================
> > > Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
> > > mailto: admin at cheltsec.vic.edu.au <mailto:admin at cheltsec.vic.edu.au>
> > > Cheltenham Secondary College www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au
> > > <http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au/>
> > > Ph: 613 955 55 955 Fx: 9555 8617 Mb: 0431-701-028
> > > ====================================================
> > > Too many of us look upon Americans as dollar chasers. This is a cruel
> > > libel, even if it is reiterated thoughtlessly by the Americans
> > > themselves. Albert Einstein
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > *From:* itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
> > > [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Grimshaw
> > > *Sent:* Monday, 20 August 2007 3:27 PM
> > > *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] FW: Ultranet
> > >
> > > Am i silly to assume that we will be able run our moodels as well as the
> > > ultranet? - i cant think of any reason why we couldn't
> > >
> > > andrew grimshaw
> > > colac college
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > *From:* Roland Gesthuizen <mailto:rgesthuizen at gmail.com>
> > > *Newsgroups:* local.it.itapps
> > > *To:* Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> > > <mailto:itapps at edulists.com.au>
> > > *Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2007 1:37 PM
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] FW: Ultranet
> > >
> > > Hmm, they didn't answer the $M60 question asked.
> > >
> > > Oddly enough, they invited Laurie to download the tender. Cute :-)
> > >
> > > It would be an interesting to post a tender response.
> > >
> > > A survey is nice, but I wonder at the depth and level of
> > > consultation with the subject associations and professional groups
> > > already doing cool activities with tools such as Moodle. This is
> > > about teaching and learning, not just worksheets, software and
> > > bandwidth. For now, we we can only speculate at the deeper
> > > educational pedagogy and research that underpins this centralist
> > > model for networked service delivery. Anybody who can predict the
> > > world beyond 2017 is a fool. I'm certainly not holding my breath.
> > >
> > > It is really great to see ALL the different learning tools we are
> > > all using and engaged by the exciting things that are happening.
> > > Only last week, a new teacher was posted here a swag of ideas from
> > > MS Sharepoint users. Thats cool! There is a very real strength in
> > > our current diversity of tools, teaching styles and innovative
> > > solutions, many in spite of poor funding or administrative hurdles.
> > > The VITTA annual conference is a celebration of these success
> > > stories by a community of practicing educators.
> > >
> > > Should we be concerned about an all embracing, centralist model for
> > > networked service delivery for Victorian state schools? I suppose we
> > > could be proactive and engage with the tender process .. or keep on
> > > doing the fun stuff that engages and teaches our students :-)
> > >
> > > Regards Roland
> > >
> > > On 20/08/07, *Laurie Savage* <sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au
> > > <mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
> > >
> > > I emailed the Ultranet people, here is their reply.
> > >
> > > Laurie
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Quach, Tam T [mailto:quach.tam.t at edumail.vic.gov.au
> > > <mailto:quach.tam.t at edumail.vic.gov.au>] On Behalf Of
> > > Ultranet
> > > Sent: Monday, 20 August 2007 9:28 AM
> > > To: sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au <mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au>
> > > Subject: RE: Ultranet
> > >
> > > Hi Laurie
> > >
> > > Thank you for your enquiry of 17 August 2007 regarding the
> > > Ultranet.
> > >
> > > The Department of Education is aware that some schools are using
> > > learning
> > > management systems such as Moodle. Please refer to section
> > > 8.1.20 of the
> > > Request for Tender specifications below:
> > >
> > > 8.1.20 Learning Management Systems
> > > A few Victorian government schools have made investments in
> > > third party
> > > learning management solutions. Solutions include (but are not
> > > limited to)
> > > Edumate, My Classes, Scholaris, Studywiz, Moodle, Blackboard and
> > > other
> > > custom developed intranet solutions. The solutions are
> > > implemented within
> > > schools' curriculum network environment. DoE is in the process
> > > of conducting
> > > an extensive survey of existing applications in use at schools
> > > to assist in
> > > formulating the data conversion and change management
> > strategies.
> > >
> > > Learning management systems, however, are only one component of
> > the
> > > Ultranet. The other components include:
> > >
> > > . Strategy
> > > . Learning and Teaching Management
> > > . Administration
> > > . Collaboration
> > > . Student Information
> > > . Staff Information
> > > . School Information
> > > . Reporting
> > > . Productivity Tools
> > > . Architecture
> > > . Security
> > > . Standards
> > > . Change Management
> > > . Development and Implementation
> > > . Service Hosting, Operational Support and Maintenance
> > >
> > > The Ultranet Request for Tender was released publicly on 1
> > > August 2007. You
> > > can the Ultranet RFT from the Victorian Government Tenders web
> > > site at
> > > www.tenders.vic.gov.au <http://www.tenders.vic.gov.au>. Search
> > > for 'Ultranet'. You will need to register on
> > > the site in order to download the document.
> > >
> > > I hope this answers your question.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Tam Quach
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Laurie Savage [mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au
> > > <mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au>]
> > > Sent: Friday, 17 August 2007 3:35 PM
> > > To: Ultranet
> > > Subject: Ultranet
> > >
> > > We are already using a colloborative, intuitive e-learning
> > > system that is
> > > under constant development and improvement. We use it for VELS
> > > and VCE
> > > cources. It is free, open source and can be tailored to local
> > > needs. It is
> > > written in PHP and uses a free backend database. It is called
> > > Moodle. Does
> > > the state need to spend $M60 to implement an untried
> > alternative?
> > >
> > > Laurie Savage
> > > ICT/Comm. Tech. Teacher,
> > > Pascoe Vale Girls College
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> http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au
>
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change
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