[Year 12 Its] Re: SBS - Cutting Edge doco on spam (Colin C
Consiglio)
pearse.s at iinet.net.au
pearse.s at iinet.net.au
Fri Dec 22 10:46:19 EST 2006
Colin - I watched most of it and I wanted to use it for next year also but I
don't have a video player at my house - I did a bit of searching on the net for
it and I found it(not for download though). You would have to purchase it but it
is reasonably cheap as far as educational DVD's go.
Here is the URL for your ref..
https://www.enhancetv.com.au/shop/product.php?productid=103686&cat=318&page=1
Steve Pearse (IT teacher Trafalgar High School)
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> 4. Fw: [Year 12 Its] Programming for small devices (Kevork Krozian)
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> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:44:42 +1100
> From: "Picone, Jenny A" <picone.jenny.a at edumail.vic.gov.au>
> Subject: [Year 12 Its] IT teacher needed
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> Sorry for cross posting:
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> Hi all I am posting this note to see if there is an IT teacher out there
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> a=
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> From: Colin C Consiglio <Colin_C_Consiglio at yahoo.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 Its] SBS - Cutting Edge doco on spam
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> I havn't checked but perhaps this place might be of use ...
> http://www.enhancetv.com.au/
> Rgds Colin
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> Tony Richardson wrote:
> > excuse the X posts
> >
> > --------------------
> >
> > Did anyone get to tape this show tonight?? I caught the tail end of it and
>
> > it looked very good and would be a good teaching resource
> >
> > Tony Richardson
> > Kardinia International College
> >
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> From: "Kevork Krozian" <kevork at edulists.com.au>
> Subject: Fw: [Year 12 Its] Programming for small devices
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Mills" <djmills at netspace.net.au>
> To: <is at edulists.com.au>
> Cc: "Kevork Krozian" <kevork at edulists.com.au>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 Its] Programming for small devices
>
>
> > Kevork,
> >
> > I taught my year 11s this year using MySQL and NetBeans. That should give
>
> > you
> > all the same advantages as MySQL and PHP. Like you say - just let MySQL
> > handle all the concurrency issues.
> >
> > No I don't think that for someone just spending weeks on learning
> > programming
> > (rather than years at Uni) that a "networked information system" sounds at
> > all easy.
> >
> > You could simplify it enormously and still sit within the guidelines by
> > restricting the update of data to a single "receptionist", and everyone
> > else
> > simply sees current data. Then enough concurrency issues go so that the
> > remaining issues probably don't matter for the project. It would be
> > possible
> > for a viewer to see an inconsistent state - but I think that that could be
> > discussed in class and otherwise ignored.
> >
> > Its still possible for a web page situation to see inconsistent data too.
> > Say
> > you change the name of a linked page. If you update the page containing
> > the
> > link first than people click on a link that points to an as yet not
> > existent
> > page. If you change the name first then people viewing the page with the
> > link click on a link that now goes nowhere. So PHP/MySQL does not
> > intrinsically solve the problems you have mentioned. And the solutions to
> > these problems are equally applicable to both technologies.
> >
> > Personally I'd stick with Java (but I have never taught it at year 12
> > level).
> > That is also because I know Java well. I programmed using it commercially
> > for a decade or more but don't know PHP at all. So much less learning for
>
> > me
> > to stick with Java.
> >
> > David.
> >
> >
> > On Monday 18 December 2006 23:18, Kevork Krozian wrote:
> >> Hi David,
> >>
> >> The portable device task can be done reasonably easily with java or a
> >> java IDE . No problems here. I will have to add that an ex student of
> >> mine
> >> did do a similar assignment in 3rd year in his software engineering
> >> degree
> >> this year but I digress as how hard was this meant to be is another
> >> debate.
> >> I have used java as my programming language for the last 5 years. I have
> >> used vectors, binary files, lists and other objects to make the tasks
> >> realistic or challenging.
> >>
> >> Back to Sofdev 2007. Keep in mind both programming tasks must be done
> >> with
> >> the same language. But ... consider the second programming task.
> >>
> >> This involves writing a program that will take into account a networked
> >> information system objective. Sounds innocent doesn't it ? If you read
> >> the
> >> teacher's advice the sample task is a doctors' clinic ( a couple of
> >> doctors, nurses and receptionists ) a small LAN with a fileserver (
> >> starting to look like client server ... ) with patients coming in for
> >> appointments and a database of patients and their appointment details on
> >> the file server ( looks like a relational database now with a 1 to many
> >> relationship of patients to appointments) all accessible from several
> >> workstations. It would be normal enough to expect concurrent access and
> >> shareability of the database ie. We don't ask the nurse to get out of the
> >> program when a doctor wants to use it. Looking around, I did consider
> >> java
> >> but it is too much to manage the multi client server access requirement.
> >> So
> >> what to do ?
> >>
> >> Thinking through we all use multi user concurrent access all day every
> >> day
> >> . Where ? On a web server, we access the same page concurrently and are
> >> totally unaware of it. Eg. booking a computer room on the intranet,
> >> logging
> >> a computer fault, etc. all the time and if we have a database behind it,
> >> we
> >> then have the concurrency managed by the web server and the ODBC or other
> >> database driver eg SQL server
> >>
> >> So for the above reasons I have switched to PHP and MySQL for next year
> >> for
> >> sofdev and also for year 11 .
> >>
> >> For those interested I will be delivering some PD through VITTA early
> >> next
> >> year on using this approach of PHP and MySQL in several 2 hour block
> >> sessions.
> >>
> >> I would be happy to hear any comments about these issues.
> >>
> >> Kevork Krozian
> >> Mailing List Creator and Administrator
> >> kevork at edulists.com.au
> >> www.edulists.com.au
> >> Tel: 0419 356 034
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Mills, David J
> >> To: is at edulists.com.au
> >> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:58 PM
> >> Subject: [Year 12 Its] Programming for small devices
> >>
> >>
> >> For all those teaching Software Development next year - the focus of
> >> Unit
> >> 3 Outcome 2 is to "On completion of this unit the student should be able
> >> to
> >> produce a software module suitable for implementation on a portable
> >> computing device, in response to a design specification, verify its
> >> performance against this specifi cation and explain how the program has
> >> taken into account an ethical dilemma or a legal obligation."
> >>
> >> The new NetBeans 5.5 release has a mobility pack that allows you to
> >> develop and test Java applications for mobile devices such as phones and
> >> PDAs. The software created can be installed on a suitable device such as
>
> >> a
> >> phone and used by you or the students.
> >>
> >> The software you will need (all of which is legally free) is:
> >> a.. Java's Software development kit (available from java.sun.com)
> >> b.. NetBeans 5.5 (available from netbeans.org)
> >> c.. NetBeans Mobility Pack (from the same location)
> >> When testing the software the Development environment opens up a window
> >> that looks like a phone (you get to choose whether you are developing for
>
> >> a
> >> phone or a PDA and you can specify the screen resolutions of your device)
> >> and you click the keypad buttons on screen to emulate the phone's
> >> behaviour.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> David.
> >>
> >>
> >> Important - This email and any attachments may be confidential. If
> >> received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before
> >> opening
> >> or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of
> >> any
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> >> sender
> >> or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached
> >> files
> >> our liability is limited to resupplying any affected attachments. Any
> >> representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender,
> >> and not necessarily those of the Department of Education.
> >>
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> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 23:47:01 +1100
> From: "Kevork Krozian" <kevork at edulists.com.au>
> Subject: Fw: [Year 12 Its] Programming for small devices
> To: "Year 12 Information Technology Systems Teachers' Mailing List"
> <is at edulists.com.au>
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>
> > Hi David,
> >
> > Thanks for keeping this discussion going as you are the only teacher who
> > has posted to the list addressing these issues.
> > No doubt any number of approaches can attempt to address the issues.
> > Record locking and other techniques presumably can be used but why would
> > we go to the trouble of doing this ourselves, is probably more my point.
> >
> > I actually did a bit of work with jbuilder with a database on a shared
> > drive a few months ago to see how it would work with 2 or more users. The
> > sample exercises had the following features:
> > 1. there was always the need to refresh the view on the form to get up
> > to date data
> > 2. We couldn't quite get concurrency to work
> > 3. We had to build a client application in order to be able to use the
> > database
> > 4. The client application has to be deployed everywhere an end user
> > wishes to connect to the database.
> >
> >
> > My thoughts with using a browser as the client was that
> > 1. It is universally accessible without having to build it. Anyone with a
>
> > browser is able to connect to the database.
> > 2. It can be used on a mobile device - php even detects the browser and
> > can redirect to another page depending on the browser category. The
> > version of web page language on mobile devices is WML (wireless markup
> > language ) vs HTML for standard browsers.
> > 3. It links to a database at the back end so easily - one statement to
> > set up a persistent connection to say MySQL
> > 4. It is up to date
> > 5. Having a networked solution on the internet is the ultimate network
> > and accessible from anywhere in the world.
> >
> > Having looked at PHP it is really a very easy language to learn. Data
> > structures, controls and syntax is very C-ish and it has a nice feel.
> > I think this list is priviliged to have a former commercial java
> > programmer on board and your experience would be a great asset to many who
>
> > would wish to follow the same path.
> > I look forward to staying in touch so please do keep the list updated with
>
> > your endeavours.
> >
> > Best Wishes
> > Kevork
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Mills" <djmills at netspace.net.au>
> > To: <is at edulists.com.au>
> > Cc: "Kevork Krozian" <kevork at edulists.com.au>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 3:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Year 12 Its] Programming for small devices
> >
> >
> >> Kevork,
> >>
> >> I taught my year 11s this year using MySQL and NetBeans. That should
> >> give you
> >> all the same advantages as MySQL and PHP. Like you say - just let MySQL
> >> handle all the concurrency issues.
> >>
> >> No I don't think that for someone just spending weeks on learning
> >> programming
> >> (rather than years at Uni) that a "networked information system" sounds
> >> at
> >> all easy.
> >>
> >> You could simplify it enormously and still sit within the guidelines by
> >> restricting the update of data to a single "receptionist", and everyone
> >> else
> >> simply sees current data. Then enough concurrency issues go so that the
> >> remaining issues probably don't matter for the project. It would be
> >> possible
> >> for a viewer to see an inconsistent state - but I think that that could
> >> be
> >> discussed in class and otherwise ignored.
> >>
> >> Its still possible for a web page situation to see inconsistent data too.
>
> >> Say
> >> you change the name of a linked page. If you update the page containing
> >> the
> >> link first than people click on a link that points to an as yet not
> >> existent
> >> page. If you change the name first then people viewing the page with the
> >> link click on a link that now goes nowhere. So PHP/MySQL does not
> >> intrinsically solve the problems you have mentioned. And the solutions
> >> to
> >> these problems are equally applicable to both technologies.
> >>
> >> Personally I'd stick with Java (but I have never taught it at year 12
> >> level).
> >> That is also because I know Java well. I programmed using it
> >> commercially
> >> for a decade or more but don't know PHP at all. So much less learning
> >> for me
> >> to stick with Java.
> >>
> >> David.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Monday 18 December 2006 23:18, Kevork Krozian wrote:
> >>> Hi David,
> >>>
> >>> The portable device task can be done reasonably easily with java or a
> >>> java IDE . No problems here. I will have to add that an ex student of
> >>> mine
> >>> did do a similar assignment in 3rd year in his software engineering
> >>> degree
> >>> this year but I digress as how hard was this meant to be is another
> >>> debate.
> >>> I have used java as my programming language for the last 5 years. I have
> >>> used vectors, binary files, lists and other objects to make the tasks
> >>> realistic or challenging.
> >>>
> >>> Back to Sofdev 2007. Keep in mind both programming tasks must be done
> >>> with
> >>> the same language. But ... consider the second programming task.
> >>>
> >>> This involves writing a program that will take into account a networked
> >>> information system objective. Sounds innocent doesn't it ? If you read
> >>> the
> >>> teacher's advice the sample task is a doctors' clinic ( a couple of
> >>> doctors, nurses and receptionists ) a small LAN with a fileserver (
> >>> starting to look like client server ... ) with patients coming in for
> >>> appointments and a database of patients and their appointment details on
> >>> the file server ( looks like a relational database now with a 1 to many
> >>> relationship of patients to appointments) all accessible from several
> >>> workstations. It would be normal enough to expect concurrent access and
> >>> shareability of the database ie. We don't ask the nurse to get out of
> >>> the
> >>> program when a doctor wants to use it. Looking around, I did consider
> >>> java
> >>> but it is too much to manage the multi client server access requirement.
>
> >>> So
> >>> what to do ?
> >>>
> >>> Thinking through we all use multi user concurrent access all day every
> >>> day
> >>> . Where ? On a web server, we access the same page concurrently and are
> >>> totally unaware of it. Eg. booking a computer room on the intranet,
> >>> logging
> >>> a computer fault, etc. all the time and if we have a database behind it,
>
> >>> we
> >>> then have the concurrency managed by the web server and the ODBC or
> >>> other
> >>> database driver eg SQL server
> >>>
> >>> So for the above reasons I have switched to PHP and MySQL for next year
> >>> for
> >>> sofdev and also for year 11 .
> >>>
> >>> For those interested I will be delivering some PD through VITTA early
> >>> next
> >>> year on using this approach of PHP and MySQL in several 2 hour block
> >>> sessions.
> >>>
> >>> I would be happy to hear any comments about these issues.
> >>>
> >>> Kevork Krozian
> >>> Mailing List Creator and Administrator
> >>> kevork at edulists.com.au
> >>> www.edulists.com.au
> >>> Tel: 0419 356 034
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Mills, David J
> >>> To: is at edulists.com.au
> >>> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 2:58 PM
> >>> Subject: [Year 12 Its] Programming for small devices
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> For all those teaching Software Development next year - the focus of
> >>> Unit
> >>> 3 Outcome 2 is to "On completion of this unit the student should be able
>
> >>> to
> >>> produce a software module suitable for implementation on a portable
> >>> computing device, in response to a design specification, verify its
> >>> performance against this specifi cation and explain how the program has
> >>> taken into account an ethical dilemma or a legal obligation."
> >>>
> >>> The new NetBeans 5.5 release has a mobility pack that allows you to
> >>> develop and test Java applications for mobile devices such as phones and
> >>> PDAs. The software created can be installed on a suitable device such
> >>> as a
> >>> phone and used by you or the students.
> >>>
> >>> The software you will need (all of which is legally free) is:
> >>> a.. Java's Software development kit (available from java.sun.com)
> >>> b.. NetBeans 5.5 (available from netbeans.org)
> >>> c.. NetBeans Mobility Pack (from the same location)
> >>> When testing the software the Development environment opens up a
> >>> window
> >>> that looks like a phone (you get to choose whether you are developing
> >>> for a
> >>> phone or a PDA and you can specify the screen resolutions of your
> >>> device)
> >>> and you click the keypad buttons on screen to emulate the phone's
> >>> behaviour.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> David.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Important - This email and any attachments may be confidential. If
> >>> received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before
> >>> opening
> >>> or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of
> >>> any
> >>> loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the
> >>> sender
> >>> or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached
> >>> files
> >>> our liability is limited to resupplying any affected attachments. Any
> >>> representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual
> >>> sender,
> >>> and not necessarily those of the Department of Education.
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> http://www.edulists.com.au IT Systems Mailing List kindly supported by
> >>> http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au - Victorian Curriculum and Assessment
> >>> Authority and http://www.vitta.org.au - VITTA Victorian Information
> >>> Technology Teachers Association Inc
> >>
> >
>
>
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