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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Having said that I have been blocked again.</FONT> Hope
this gets through..</DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=robert@yinnar.com href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com">Robert Hind</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=ipm@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:ipm@edulists.com.au">Year 12 Information Technology Processing and
Management Teachers'Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 12, 2006 1:29 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> SpamCop</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hi Mark,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Had a whole lot of emails to the IPM list bounced back to
me thanks to SpamCop. Seems to have been fixed now.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>But the problem remains </FONT></DIV>
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<LI><FONT face=Arial>we have a lot of spam email and we would like to get rid
of that</FONT>
<LI><FONT face=Arial>but we do not want to lose legitimate
emails</FONT></LI></UL>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>There are real problems with the automated spam systems.
Intelligent (??!!**) though they may be, they are really quite stupid and reject
emails for a variety of reasons.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>So how can we get rid of spam?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Robert Hind (Semi-retired)<BR>Ex Traralgon and
Ashwood</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>From: "Mark Kelly" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au"><FONT
face=Arial>kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>To: "Year 12 Information Technology Processing and
Management Teachers'Mailing List" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:ipm@edulists.com.au"><FONT
face=Arial>ipm@edulists.com.au</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 12:39 PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Subject: [Year 12 IPM] Database software for
2007</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial>> [7th attempt - our
whole school has been blacklisted by SpamCop - and we <BR>> hope we are now
off the blacklist!]<BR>> <BR>> Hi all. Here's a frisky cat to throw
among the pigeons.<BR>> <BR>> I'm curious what database management
software will people be using for<BR>> ITA Unit 3 Outcome 1 next
year?<BR>> <BR>> At the VITTA presentation I did on ITA in August, I
recommended that if<BR>> we got organised and agreed on a standard tool we
could be much more<BR>> efficient when sharing tutorials, sample tasks, tips
and hints, sample<BR>> outcomes etc - all of which will be a big in 2007 as
we adjust to the<BR>> new course.<BR>> <BR>> The main DBMS contenders I
see are:<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --- MS Access<BR>> - Access is not a
standard part of the average MS Office suite (AFAIK),<BR>> so many kids are
unlikely to have it at home, so it would be hard to<BR>> assign homework or
practice tasks using it.<BR>> - It costs big money if kids have to buy it for
home.<BR>> - It costs big money for non-government schools.<BR>> - For
most people, it's not as easy to learn as Filemaker is.<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> --- Filemaker<BR>> - Even fewer kids are likely to have Filemaker at
home, so assigning<BR>> home practice would be nearly impossible.<BR>> -
It's easy to learn (especially creating programming scripts) and easy<BR>> to
use.<BR>> - It costs big money if kids had to buy it for home.<BR>> - It
costs big money for schools to buy.<BR>> <BR>> (Having said that, it's the
database I use for McKinnon's reporting<BR>> package, and the database I'm
most skilled with.)<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --- OpenOffice.org Base<BR>> -
It's FREE for students and schools.<BR>> - It's compatible with MS Access
(and can read Access database files)<BR>> - It's pretty much as easy to use
as Access.<BR>> - There's some online support for it, but more is coming and
we can work<BR>> as a team to develop all we need!<BR>> - Did I mention
it's FREE?<BR>> - It comes with other open source replacements for Word,
Excel,<BR>> Powerpoint, drawing software etc.<BR>> - It even has its own
equivalent of VBA for programming macros.<BR>> - Oh yeah - and it's
FREE!<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --- MySQL<BR>> I only include this because
I've heard of one school planning to use it.<BR>> I would not recommend
it because it's far too complex for kids to<BR>> learn from scratch in VCE:
too much programming required to get the job<BR>> done. Way overkill,
IMHO.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> If you get some time as the year winds
down, how about getting a copy of<BR>> (</FONT><A
href="http://openoffice.org"><FONT
face=Arial>http://openoffice.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial>) - it's about 50M
to download, and is available<BR>> via WWW and Bittorrent.<BR>> <BR>>
Have a play, see what you think.<BR>> <BR>> Cheers<BR>> <BR>> Mark
K<BR>> <BR>> -- <BR>> Mark Kelly<BR>> Manager - Information
Systems<BR>> McKinnon Secondary College<BR>> McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204,
Victoria, Australia<BR>> Direct line / Voicemail: 8520 9085<BR>> School
Phone +613 8520 9000 <<< NEW NUMBER<BR>> School Fax +613
95789253<BR>> <BR>> IPM Lecture notes: </FONT><A
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