<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1">
<title></title>
</head>
<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
It's not a lost art. My son is doing a heavy truck driving course in
trucks with non-synchro gearbox. Apparently, there are still some
heavy industry vehicles still out there where it's handy.<br>
Another one, I was teaching Media today and asked the students how they
used TV. Do they watch particular programs to learn or be entertained
or just to veg out. It just to veg it wouldn't matter what they
watched; it could be the test pattern. Of course, none of them knew
what that was?!<br>
<br>
Time I retired!<br>
<br>
Charmaine Taylor<br>
Sunbury Downs College<br>
<br>
Mark Scott wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid95813F43816910418AC50E64936F1B0D93928F@lcexch01.luther.local">
<pre wrap="">Of course "double declutching" but who called it that?
What makes a word correct, the English dictionary or common usage?
Mark Scott - Wishing I was semi retired
Luther College
-----Original Message-----
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
On Behalf Of Robert Hind
Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:57 PM
To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
Teachers'MailingList
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
Not only the Philistines but also the pedants - can you hear me coming ?
I assume you meant to say "double declutching"
A lost art of course just like sabre tooth tiger hunting !
Robert Hind - Semi retired
Ashwood and Traralgon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Scott" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:msc@staff.luther.vic.edu.au"><msc@staff.luther.vic.edu.au></a>
To: "Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
Teachers'MailingList" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ipm@edulists.com.au"><ipm@edulists.com.au></a>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:23 PM
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Not many can use an abacus anymore.
I had too explain to my son what "double clutching" was the other day,
he just smiled at me like I was mad.
...and don't get me started on text messages on phones, soon the kids
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->of
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">today will lose the art of vocalization.
and...
and...
The philistines are out in force must be nearing the end of term.
Mark Scott
Luther College
-----Original Message-----
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
On Behalf Of Laurie Savage
Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:07 PM
To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
Teachers'Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
And now we have a generation of people who cannot do the simplest
calculation in their head.
Laurie
Mark Scott wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">
Royce
In the words of the immortal Billy S
*"Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;*
*Or close the wall up with our English dead.*
*In peace there's nothing so becomes a man*
*As modest stillness and humility;*
*But when the blast of war blows in our ears,*
*Then imitate the action of the tiger:*
*Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood."*
To be short, you have no idea what you are talking about.
They said the same thing about calculators back in the early
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">seventies.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">
Cordially yours
Mark Scott
Luther College
-----Original Message-----
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">On Behalf Of Royce Williams
Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 2:51 PM
To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
Teachers'MailingList
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
Where to start
The theory that every student should own and bring to class a laptop
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">is
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">of course one of the biggest educationalist crap shoots ever. With
changes in the Internet / increased home ownership of computers
/increased home broadband /USB memory down to 59$ per gig /pod
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">casting/
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">VCE and drafting ... Remember that ... I think student carried
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">lippies
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">should be well dead by now.
However Pods ?COWs individual laptops taken into classes is very
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">valid.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Particularly in science .. Which not only has specialist rooms but
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">have
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">a huge amount of simulation and other programs that can be used.
We have for student use here about 150 laptops that can be borrowed
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->by
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">classes and individually. We don't use trolleys here due to physical
layout of school. But bringing technology to students is better than
making them lockstep to a "special" room .. Not withstanding that we
have specialist computer areas (music/multimedia/art) and two full
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">size
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">computer rooms for when they are appropriate.
Laptops do cost more than equivalent desktops because of more
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">expensive
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">PSU's / batteries and LCD screens .. Tho the difference is rapidly
falling. However you also need a better constructed laptop to survive
the rigours of school life than you do a desk top. So hopping to get
several years out of a sub $1000 laptop is a forlorn hope.
E.G. you might run DELL or Acer in your labs but you need the IBM or
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">HP
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">in your laptops.
Here students are not allowed in Computer rooms without supervision
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">(in
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">theory) .. In Middle school it leads off the Library .. No problems
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->..
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">But senior school is really a problem with damage .. I need to put a
teacher on a couch in there ... Rofl.
However there are 12 computers in the senior Library for student use
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">as
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">well.
Royce Williams
Manager Information Technology
Billanook College
197-199 Cardigan Rd
Mooroolbark 3138
Victoria Australia
Tel: 61-3-9725 5388; Fax: 61-3-9725 8556
-----Original Message-----
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">On Behalf Of Cameron
Sent: Friday, 1 September 2006 10:22 AM
To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
Teachers'Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
Apologies if this appears more than once - forgot to change identity.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">:(
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">
Let me say that Laptop computers are not a fad. Once seen as a way
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">that
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">private schools could "show off", they are now very mainstream in
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">schools,
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">business and homes. Laptops are a superb solution to mobility and
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">"where
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">are
we going to fit in some more computers?". They have a role to play
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">where
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">appropriate.
I would give my right arm for the ability of my Science classes to be
able to
wheel in a set of notebooks to record prac results and create reports
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">in
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">real
time *in the lab*.
Each of our Yr 7 classes have their own trolley of 12 notebooks (1
between 2
model) that they take to each class. They are responsible for their
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">own
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">trolley which has helped reduce damage as they have a sense of
ownership. The notebooks have helped many teachers transform the way
they teach. Having
immediate access to the technology without need to organise
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->room-swaps
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">or
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">book computer rooms allows teachers to teach and students to learn
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->"on
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">the
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">fly" if needed. You don't need to plan to have "a computer lesson",
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">you
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">just
integrate the ICT as needed. The change we have seen in just 8 months
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">is
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">astounding.
As mentioned the "bang for your buck" works out well in favour of
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">desktops,
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">but only if you think in terms of hardware costs. I would place a
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">great
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">deal
more weight on "educational bang for your buck" when considering
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">between
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">the
two and notebooks rapidly catch or even surpass desktops when that is
factored in.
Given the amount of use the laptops have had, they are holding up
remarkably
well. We have had one badly damaged case that will cost in the region
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">of
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">$800
to repair. OUCH! - may as well buy a new one. We have had a bit of
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">trouble
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">with some keys being removed, but when you think of the amount of
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->time
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">they
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">are used for, it isn't too bad.
We are probably looking at a bit of both. We are having trouble
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">deciding
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">where
we can store the trolleys securely and at the same time, where we can
fit in
more desktops. It is great to have the technology out of sight until
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">you
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">need
it and then you can place it on the same desks without the need for
additional furniture or desks.
If it is foreseen that students will one day have their own personal
computers
in whatever form they may take, we may as well start now and develop
teaching
methods and courses that use the current mobile technology. I believe
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">a
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">graduated development of teaching pedagogy will be more useful than
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">waiting
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">and trying to shift over to a new style once it has been deemed that
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">enough
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">students have access to make it worthwhile.
Cheers
Cameron
On Thursday 31 August 2006 20:12, Stephen Digby wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> Just got a single notebook trolley with 10 ACERs much against my
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> recomendation. Hope that the machines last..... In the past, I
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->have
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> had bad experience with notebooks in classrooms - more than twice
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">the
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> price (esp. including more frequent amd much more expensive
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">repairs);
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> last less than half service life (include downtime); less classroom
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> efficiency for teacher (get trolley, supervise handout, supervise
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">use,
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> wait till students start them up, supercvise return to trolley c
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> correct connections to chargers; return trolley and plug in)
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> Think that this is a very temporary fad until students all have
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> "personal" computers as seamlessly as they have phones.....
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">=====================================================================
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->=
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">=====
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">= ==========
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:admin@cheltsec.vic.edu.au">mailto:admin@cheltsec.vic.edu.au</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> Cheltenham Secondary College <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au">www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au/"><http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au/></a> Ph: 613 955 55 955 Fx: 9555
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->8617
</pre>
<pre wrap=""><!---->========================================================================
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">===
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">= ==========
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> An empty stomach is not a good political advisor.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> Albert Einstein
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> _____
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> On Behalf Of Robert Minato
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> Sent: 31 August 2006 03:37 PM
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> Teachers'Mailing List
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> Our school does not let students into computer rooms unless under
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> teacher supervision. We have three computer classrooms and another
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> computer room attached to the library. Students are allowed to use
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> library computers whenever library is open.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> We have recently gone down the path of setting up three cows
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> (computers on wheels). The library staff take bookings for these
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> laptop trolleys; nine laptops per trolley. Teachers book the cows
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">and
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> can use them in any classroom. The advantage I have found with the
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> cows is that you can sometimes just book one cow as not all
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->students
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> need a computer at the same time; ie others are doing prac tasks.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">On Thursday 31 August 2006 20:12, Stephen Digby wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> Just got a single notebook trolley with 10 ACERs much against my
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> recomendation. Hope that the machines last..... In the past, I
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->have
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> had bad experience with notebooks in classrooms - more than twice
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">the
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> price (esp. including more frequent amd much more expensive
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">repairs);
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> last less than half service life (include downtime); less classroom
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> efficiency for teacher (get trolley, supervise handout, supervise
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">use,
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> wait till students start them up, supercvise return to trolley c
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> correct connections to chargers; return trolley and plug in)
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> Think that this is a very temporary fad until students all have
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> "personal" computers as seamlessly as they have phones.....
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">=====================================================================
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->=
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">=====
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">= ==========
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:admin@cheltsec.vic.edu.au">mailto:admin@cheltsec.vic.edu.au</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> Cheltenham Secondary College <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au">www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au/"><http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au/></a> Ph: 613 955 55 955 Fx: 9555
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->8617
</pre>
<pre wrap=""><!---->========================================================================
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">===
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">= ==========
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> An empty stomach is not a good political advisor.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> Albert Einstein
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> _____
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> On Behalf Of Robert Minato
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> Sent: 31 August 2006 03:37 PM
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> Teachers'Mailing List
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> Our school does not let students into computer rooms unless under
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> teacher supervision. We have three computer classrooms and another
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> computer room attached to the library. Students are allowed to use
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> library computers whenever library is open.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> We have recently gone down the path of setting up three cows
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> (computers on wheels). The library staff take bookings for these
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> laptop trolleys; nine laptops per trolley. Teachers book the cows
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">and
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> can use them in any classroom. The advantage I have found with the
</pre>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> cows is that you can sometimes just book one cow as not all
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->students
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> need a computer at the same time; ie others are doing prac tasks.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">
_______________________________________________
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.edulists.com.au">http://www.edulists.com.au</a> - FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">IPM
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Mailing List kindly supported by <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au</a> -
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">Victorian
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Curriculum and Assessment Authority and <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.vitta.org.au">http://www.vitta.org.au</a> -
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">VITTA
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Victorian Information Technology Teachers Association Inc
_______________________________________________
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.edulists.com.au">http://www.edulists.com.au</a> - FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe
IPM Mailing List kindly supported by
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au</a> - Victorian Curriculum and Assessment
Authority and
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.vitta.org.au">http://www.vitta.org.au</a> - VITTA Victorian Information Technology
Teachers Association Inc
_______________________________________________
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.edulists.com.au">http://www.edulists.com.au</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.edulists.com.au"><http://www.edulists.com.au></a> - FAQ,
resources, subscribe, unsubscribe
IPM Mailing List kindly supported by
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au"><http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au></a> - Victorian
Curriculum and Assessment Authority and
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.vitta.org.au">http://www.vitta.org.au</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.vitta.org.au"><http://www.vitta.org.au></a> - VITTA Victorian
Information Technology Teachers Association Inc
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">--
Laurie Savage
===============================================
Student Assessment, Reporting and Tracking
Pascoe Vale Girls College, Pascoe Vale, Vic, AU
+613 9306 2544
===============================================
_______________________________________________
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.edulists.com.au">http://www.edulists.com.au</a> - FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe
IPM Mailing List kindly supported by
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au</a> - Victorian Curriculum and Assessment
Authority and
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.vitta.org.au">http://www.vitta.org.au</a> - VITTA Victorian Information Technology
Teachers Association Inc
_______________________________________________
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.edulists.com.au">http://www.edulists.com.au</a> - FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe
IPM Mailing List kindly supported by
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au</a> - Victorian Curriculum and Assessment
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->Authority
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">and
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.vitta.org.au">http://www.vitta.org.au</a> - VITTA Victorian Information Technology
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->Teachers
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Association Inc
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
_______________________________________________
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.edulists.com.au">http://www.edulists.com.au</a> - FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe
IPM Mailing List kindly supported by
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au</a> - Victorian Curriculum and Assessment
Authority and
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.vitta.org.au">http://www.vitta.org.au</a> - VITTA Victorian Information Technology
Teachers Association Inc
_______________________________________________
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.edulists.com.au">http://www.edulists.com.au</a> - FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe
IPM Mailing List kindly supported by
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au</a> - Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority and
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.vitta.org.au">http://www.vitta.org.au</a> - VITTA Victorian Information Technology Teachers Association Inc
</pre>
</blockquote>
</body>
</html>