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<FONT FACE="Verdana"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'>Some of the class are only YR10s and I believe far from ready for IPM. Numbers were such that the subject wasn’t initially going to run; however, sufficient students were available to do it as a combined class. <BR>
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It ran as a combined class this year.<BR>
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On 5/12/05 9:10 PM, "Roland Gesthuizen" <rge@westallsc.vic.edu.au> wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Verdana"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'>True, and if it becomes quickly obvious after a month or two that they will not do well, they can withdraw and switch over, working instead towards Unit 1 and 2. There is a cut-off date for changes to enrollments in a VCE unit and often by that date I have a reasonable idea how well they go with the rest of the unit.<BR>
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Yes you should dare say it Mark.<BR>
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But it does need a "culture shift": with the "kids" as well as with the teachers. <BR>
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The kids can no longer say "you didn't teach me this" as an excuse for doing b***** all in class. So if we can bring about that culture shift then ok.<BR>
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</SPAN><FONT SIZE="6"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:24.0px'>But!</SPAN></FONT><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'> Robert: Why not put all your kids into IP&M? There are no prerequisites for units 3 and 4 so if the kids can cope then go for it and have them all doing IP&M. This is what we are doing at Ashwood for 2006.<BR>
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<B>From:</B> Mark Scott <a href="mailto:msc@staff.luther.vic.edu.au"><mailto:msc@staff.luther.vic.edu.au></a> <BR>
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</SPAN><FONT SIZE="4"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:14.0px'><B>From:</B> ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au [<a href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au]">mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a> <B>On Behalf Of </B>Meadows, Roslyn M<BR>
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</SPAN><FONT COLOR="#800040"><FONT SIZE="4"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:14.0px'>I wonder if History teachers are ever asked to teach Australian History and Revolutions in the same class.?<BR>
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</SPAN><FONT COLOR="#800040"><FONT SIZE="4"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:14.0px'>Just because IPM and VET Cert III both involve computers does not mean they can necessarily be taught effectively at the same time in the same room. <BR>
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</SPAN><FONT COLOR="#800040"><FONT SIZE="4"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:14.0px'>Good Luck Colin - I hope your DP is prepared to share his experiences and strategies with you.<BR>
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</SPAN><FONT COLOR="#800000"><FONT SIZE="4"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:14.0px'>"Furious activity is no substitute for understanding." <B>H. H. Williams</B></SPAN></FONT></FONT><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'> <BR>
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</SPAN><FONT SIZE="4"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:14.0px'><B>From:</B> ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Robert Minato<BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Mon 12/5/2005 2:22 PM<BR>
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</SPAN><FONT SIZE="4"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:14.0px'>You're quite right, it's not my idea.<BR>
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Haven't had a chance to look at it much as yet. My DP tells me it can be<BR>
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On 5/12/05 1:14 PM, "Lel, Ronald A" <lel.ronald.a@edumail.vic.gov.au> <a href="mailto:lel.ronald.a@edumail.vic.gov.au"><mailto:lel.ronald.a@edumail.vic.gov.au></a> wrote:<BR>
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> From: ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au [<a href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au]">mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a><BR>
> On Behalf Of Colin White<BR>
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> Welcome Robert,<BR>
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> As an ex NSW teacher (living in Albury) I have now moved to Portland,<BR>
> Victoria and just taught IPM this year for the first time.<BR>
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> Next year I am teaching IPM again and the first year of VET IT (cert 3)<BR>
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> As a matter of interested, I would like to know how you are going to do<BR>
> this. The two subjects are quite different. I guess that this was<BR>
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