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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Yes you should dare say it Mark.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>But it does need a "culture shift": with the "kids" as
well as with the teachers. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>The kids can no longer say "you didn't teach me this" as
an excuse for doing b***** all in class. So if we can bring about that culture
shift then ok.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=5>But!</FONT> Robert: </FONT><FONT
face=Arial>Why not put all your kids into IP&M? There are no prerequisites
for units 3 and 4 so if the kids can cope then go for it and have them all doing
IP&M. This is what we are doing at Ashwood for 2006.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Robert Hind</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Ashwood College</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=msc@staff.luther.vic.edu.au
href="mailto:msc@staff.luther.vic.edu.au">Mark Scott</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ipm@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:ipm@edulists.com.au">Year 12 Information Technology Processing
and Management Teachers'MailingList</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 05, 2005 4:32
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Year 12 IPM] IPM New to
list</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=gray size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: gray">Dare I say
it?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=gray size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: gray">Why
not.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=gray size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: gray">It can be done just
have the kids learn rather being taught.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A
href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>
[mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Meadows, Roslyn M<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, 5 December 2005
4:19<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
Teachers'Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [Year 12 IPM] IPM New to
list</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#800040 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #800040">I wonder if History teachers are ever
asked to teach Australian History and Revolutions in the same
class.?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#800040 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #800040">Just because IPM and VET Cert III both
involve computers does not mean they can necessarily be taught effectively at
the same time in the same room. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#800040 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #800040">Good Luck Colin - I hope your DP is
prepared to share his experiences and strategies with
you.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon">Bentleigh</SPAN></FONT></st1:City><FONT
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w:st="on">SC</st1:State></SPAN></FONT></st1:place><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon">9579
1044</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A
href="mailto:meadows.roslyn.m@edumail.vic.gov.au">meadows.roslyn.m@edumail.vic.gov.au</A></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon">"Furious activity is no substitute for
understanding." <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">H. H.
Williams</SPAN></B></SPAN></FONT> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT face=Tahoma
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ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Robert Minato<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Mon 12/5/2005 2:22 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year 12
Information Technology Processing and Management Teachers'Mailing
List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Year 12 IPM] IPM New to
list</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">You're
quite right, it's not my idea.<BR><BR>Haven't had a chance to look at it much
as yet. My DP tells me it can be<BR>done, he is doing it
now.<BR><BR><BR>--<BR>Robert Minato<BR>Teacher<BR><st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Catholic</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> Wodonga<BR>02 6059
1222<BR><BR><BR>On 5/12/05 1:14 PM, "Lel, Ronald A"
<lel.ronald.a@edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:<BR><BR>><BR>><BR>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>> From: ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au [<A
href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>]<BR>>
On Behalf Of Colin White<BR>> Sent: Sunday, 4 December 2005 7:37 PM<BR>>
To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management<BR>>
Teachers'MailingList<BR>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] IPM New to
list<BR>><BR>><BR>> Welcome Robert,<BR>><BR>> As an ex NSW
teacher (living in Albury) I have now moved to <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Portland</st1:place></st1:City>,<BR>> <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Victoria</st1:place></st1:State> and just
taught IPM this year for the first time.<BR>><BR>> Next year I am
teaching IPM again and the first year of VET IT (cert 3)<BR>> in a<BR>>
combined class.<BR>><BR>> snipped<BR>><BR>> Colin White<BR>>
Heywood & <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">District</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Secondary</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><BR>><BR>>
Snipped<BR>><BR>> As a matter of interested, I would like to know how
you are going to do<BR>> this. The two subjects are quite different. I
guess that this was<BR>> certainly not your idea.<BR>><BR>> Ron
Lel<BR>> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Croydon</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Secondary</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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