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True, and if it becomes quickly obvious after a month or two that they
will not do well, they can withdraw and switch over, working instead
towards Unit 1 and 2. There is a cut-off date for changes to
enrollments in a VCE unit and often by that date I have a reasonable
idea how well they go with the rest of the unit.<br>
<br>
Regards Roland<br>
<br>
Robert Hind wrote:
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<div><font face="Arial">Yes you should dare say it Mark.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">But it does need a "culture shift": with the
"kids" as well as with the teachers. </font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">The kids can no longer say "you didn't teach
me this" as an excuse for doing b***** all in class. So if we can bring
about that culture shift then ok.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial"><font size="5">But!</font> Robert: </font><font
face="Arial">Why not put all your kids into IP&M? There are no
prerequisites for units 3 and 4 so if the kids can cope then go for it
and have them all doing IP&M. This is what we are doing at Ashwood
for 2006.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Robert Hind</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Ashwood College</font></div>
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<a title="msc@staff.luther.vic.edu.au"
href="mailto:msc@staff.luther.vic.edu.au">Mark Scott</a> </div>
<div
style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b>
<a title="ipm@edulists.com.au" href="mailto:ipm@edulists.com.au">Year
12 Information Technology Processing and Management Teachers'MailingList</a>
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<div
style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b>
Monday, December 05, 2005 4:32 PM</div>
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RE: [Year 12 IPM] IPM New to list</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="gray" face="Times New Roman"
size="2"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; color: gray;">Dare
I say it?<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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size="2"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; color: gray;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="gray" face="Times New Roman"
size="2"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; color: gray;">Why
not.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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size="2"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; color: gray;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="gray" face="Times New Roman"
size="2"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; color: gray;">It
can be done just have the kids learn rather being taught.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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size="2"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; color: gray;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><b><font color="gray"
face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span
style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; color: gray;">Mark Scott</span></font></b></st1:PersonName><b><font
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color="gray" face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span
style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; color: gray;">Luther</span></font></b></st1:PlaceName><b><font
color="gray" size="2"><span
style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; color: gray;"> <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceName></span></font></b></st1:place><b><font
color="gray" size="2"><span
style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; color: gray;"><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">From:</span></font></b><font
face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> <a
href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Meadows, Roslyn M<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 5
December 2005 4:19<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
Teachers'Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Year
12 IPM] IPM New to list</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#800040" face="Times New Roman"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(128, 0, 64);">I
wonder if History teachers are ever asked to teach Australian History
and Revolutions in the same class.?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#800040" face="Times New Roman"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(128, 0, 64);">Just
because IPM and VET Cert III both involve computers does not mean they
can necessarily be taught effectively at the same time in the same
room. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#800040" face="Times New Roman"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(128, 0, 64);">Good
Luck Colin - I hope your DP is prepared to share his experiences and
strategies with you.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<st1:State w:st="on">SC</st1:State></span></font></st1:place><o:p></o:p></p>
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size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: maroon;">9579 1044</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt;"><a
href="mailto:meadows.roslyn.m@edumail.vic.gov.au">meadows.roslyn.m@edumail.vic.gov.au</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="maroon" face="Times New Roman"
size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: maroon;">"Furious
activity is no substitute for understanding." <b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">H. H. Williams</span></b></span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">From:</span></font></b><font
face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> on behalf of Robert Minato<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Mon 12/5/2005
2:22 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
Teachers'Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Year
12 IPM] IPM New to list</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">You're quite right, it's not my idea.<br>
<br>
Haven't had a chance to look at it much as yet. My DP tells me it can be<br>
done, he is doing it now.<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Robert Minato<br>
Teacher<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Catholic</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> Wodonga<br>
02 6059 1222<br>
<br>
<br>
On 5/12/05 1:14 PM, "Lel, Ronald A"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lel.ronald.a@edumail.vic.gov.au"><lel.ronald.a@edumail.vic.gov.au></a> wrote:<br>
<br>
><br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a
href="mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]<br>
> On Behalf Of Colin White<br>
> Sent: Sunday, 4 December 2005 7:37 PM<br>
> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management<br>
> Teachers'MailingList<br>
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] IPM New to list<br>
><br>
><br>
> Welcome Robert,<br>
><br>
> As an ex NSW teacher (living in Albury) I have now moved to <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Portland</st1:place></st1:City>,<br>
> <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Victoria</st1:place></st1:State>
and just taught IPM this year for the first time.<br>
><br>
> Next year I am teaching IPM again and the first year of VET IT
(cert 3)<br>
> in a<br>
> combined class.<br>
><br>
> snipped<br>
><br>
> Colin White<br>
> Heywood & <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">District</st1:PlaceType>
<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Secondary</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><br>
><br>
> Snipped<br>
><br>
> As a matter of interested, I would like to know how you are going
to do<br>
> this. The two subjects are quite different. I guess that this was<br>
> certainly not your idea.<br>
><br>
> Ron Lel<br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Croydon</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Secondary</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
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