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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=gray face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'>To top post or not to top
post.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=gray face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'>(Ron, are you serious?)<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=gray face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'>OK, there are better
informed people out there than us two old hacks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=gray face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'>What is the correct etiquette?<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:PersonName w:st="on"><b><font size=2 color=gray
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:
bold'>Mark Scott</span></font></b></st1:PersonName><b><font size=2 color=gray><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on"><b><font
size=2 color=gray face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:gray;font-weight:bold'>Luther</span></font></b></st1:PlaceName><b><font
size=2 color=gray><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'> <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceName></span></font></b></st1:place><b><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=gray face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'>(Is the lawperson
listening, she’ll know)<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Lel, Ronald A<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 17 November 2005
11:29<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Year 12 Information Technology
Processing and Management Teachers'MailingList<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Year 12 IPM] ICT and
IT? Justification</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b><st1:PersonName w:st="on">Mark Scott</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 17 November 2005
10:17 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Year 12 Information Technology
Processing and Management Teachers'MailingList<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Year 12 IPM] ICT and
IT? Justification</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=gray face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'>FileMaker is great
teaching tool for those students who will never develop or seriously use a
database but will need an understanding of what one is.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=gray face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'>Access is a dreadful teaching
tool, students are able to successfully create a semi-sophisticated database
with out understanding what they are doing.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=gray face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'>IM(ns)HO<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
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w:st="on"><b><font size=2 color=gray face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'>Mark Scott</span></font></b></st1:PersonName><b><font
size=2 color=gray><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on"><b><font
size=2 color=gray face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:gray;font-weight:bold'>Luther</span></font></b></st1:PlaceName><b><font
size=2 color=gray><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'> <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceName></span></font></b></st1:place><b><font
size=2 color=gray><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=gray face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'>PS Haven’t we had
this conversation before once or twice : )<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:gray;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></b></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Technology Teachers Association Inc </span></font><font size=2
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Yes we</span></font> <font size=2
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>have Mark, and told you what I thought then. Afaiak Filemaker is a
toy. Anyway, your post does not disagree with what I said in mine where I
commented on the use of databases in commercial settings. I did say that FM had
gained a foothold in educational environments.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Incidentally, why are you top posting? You
know that's poor posting etiquette. That's another thing we talked about. :-)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Ron Lel</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>Croydon</span></font></st1:PlaceName><font size=2 color=blue
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Secondary</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></span></font></st1:place><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>(Soon to be <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Thailand</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Secondary</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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