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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Re year 10 plus:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I too am a fan of teaching students to use HTML
directly. Mainly because I believe that the students should know what is
going on "behind the scenes" before they launch into a wysiwyg program such as
Dreamweaver. Non-standards-compliant programs such as Front Page should be
relegated to the lowest rank, even if they are easy to use and readily
available.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>CSS, HTML, JavaScript: all great and I think that our IT
students should be following this path rather than even Dreamweaver because
part of their IT education is learning how things work rather than just being
able to "do it".</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>But so many of the students are after the "quick fix".
What do they want?" "Results." "When do they want them?" "Now." - or
preferably last week. They have chosen to study IT and it should be made clear
to them that we are not simply following the ICT path, but rather showing them
how things work.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Robert Hind</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Ashwood College</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=billkerr@gmail.com href="mailto:billkerr@gmail.com">Bill Kerr</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ipm@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:ipm@edulists.com.au">Year 12 Information Technology Processing
and Management Teachers'Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=yr7-10it@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:yr7-10it@edulists.com.au">List Yr7-10it</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 03, 2005 1:03 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IPM] New Yr10IT
Course - Construct-ion-ivist Approach</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>hi keith,<BR><BR>Thanks for sharing your plan. <BR><BR>Task 10
- Website<BR><BR>I'm a big fan of *not* using FrontPage because it is not
standards compliant, for example, the pages may not appear correctly in
popular alternative browsers such as Firefox.<BR><BR>That's a pragmatic issue
but the whole issue of web standards is an important issue in its own right
IMHO. <BR><BR>One approach (the FrontPage approach) is to produce a webpage as
quickly and easily as possible. <BR><BR>The other approach is to follow the
modern, forward looking path of clean separation of structure (HTML), style
(CSS) and behaviour (javascript) which will make webpages look better in a
variety of browsers, last into the future (as browsers improve CSS2, CSS3),
incorporate features such as disability access which ought to be of importance
to teachers, etc.<BR><BR>I'm also a big fan of teaching raw HTML markup
directly but that's a separate issue. Dreamweaver, for example, is standards
compliant and so is a perfectly acceptable alternative to Frontpage.
<BR><BR>-- <BR>Bill Kerr<BR><A
href="http://billkerr.blogspot.com/">http://billkerr.blogspot.com/</A><BR><A
href="http://intranet.woodvillehs.sa.edu.au/kerrbi/index.htm">http://intranet.woodvillehs.sa.edu.au/kerrbi/index.htm</A><BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 6/29/05, <B class=gmail_sendername>Keith
Richardson</B> <<A
href="mailto:keithcr@fastmail.fm">keithcr@fastmail.fm</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
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have been impressed by the various approaches to ITC discussed<BR>recently
on these lists, and so decided to create an experimental<BR>learning setting
for my Year10IT class for Semester 2. I have played<BR>with various forms of
scenario-based integrative units before, as I <BR>guess we all have, but
decided to go all out with this one, utilizing<BR>full-immersion lasting a
full semester.<BR>My kids seem to work best in situations where they are
involved in the<BR>content, where there are clearly defined expectations,
yet where there <BR>is also 'room-to-move'. I have built each of these
elements into the<BR>course.<BR>I would like to eventually move towards a
Moodle style of course<BR>delivery, but at this point in time the learning
curve (for me) is <BR>toweringly steep, so have decided to be more
conventional and during the<BR>semester in my own time try adapting it
across to Moodle. We will see...<BR>Please feel free to modify and adapt in
any which way (all I ask is that <BR>credit be given for original
authorship). It should be easy to change<BR>the cultural setting to suit
your kids, and to adjust the various<BR>software and tasks to suit what you
prefer to do.<BR>My whole thesis is that ICT and associated software
programs should be <BR>there to serve other purposes. There will be times
when it is essential<BR>to pause from the theme and teach just software but
just sufficient to<BR>put them onto the right track with correct procedures
and the discipline <BR>of organized logic particularly in the field of file
management.<BR>As an aside I recommend taking a look at the Florida Gulf
Coast<BR>University tutorials for Word, PowerPoint, Excel and Access, as
well as<BR>Wikipaedia for definitions and extended explanations.
<BR>Attached please find a copy of the course.<BR>I would be very interested
in and appreciative of critical feedback<BR>please.<BR>Regards, Keith
Richardson<BR>Keith Richardson<BR>Leibler Yavneh College<BR>Elsternwick Ph
(03)9528 4911 <BR><A
href="mailto:keithcr@fastmail.fm">keithcr@fastmail.fm</A><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR><A
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