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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Have tried Kahootz at Year 9 and consider it :<BR>- bit
shallow,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>- limited,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>- extremely slow (esp. loading "impressions",
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>- no online help during the program (make sure you have the
PDF help file available to students ! BUT beware, the program does not allow you
to easily minimise to read it !).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>- OK as a clunky intro to animation, but product
pushes kids to merely put together "stock" images in predictable
ways.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>- Any novel idea (e.g. my students especially wanted
animated flames) could not easily be created outside and imported in any
standard format.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>- Considering it is Macromedia, it should surely both
export and import to/ from flash !!! </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It does not
import animated GIF or quicktime etc.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The lessons and examples on the site mainly focus on
teaching "it" i.e. learning Kahootz as if it was a worthy teaching objective in
itself.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The "links" to other learning objectives are generally
shallow or speculative.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Suggest that if you want to teach animation and 3D design
to secondary students, better starting points would be animated GIF creators
(e.g. Paint Shop etc) or "real" animation editors (e.g. Flash) or real 3D
editors (many freeware wire frame editors available online which give full
control of object creation.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>For primary school students it is a motivational tool for
fun exploration of animation (if you can justify this objective in a busy
primary school curriculum structure ..... but so is the scene creator/
editor features of WarCraft and many other commercial games.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>IT is best used when it is a tool to get students to think
deeper faster i.e. explore complexities and concepts more quickly than they
could have without IT.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Many are still stuck in techno-worship, where any
motivating activity that includes IT is assumed to be innovative and
educationally valid.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>This is what created all those "computer awareness" courses
a few decades ago !!! Deep thinking ? I think
NOT.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>On balance, hard to see why is the subject of so much
investment by Vic Govt and Aust Child Tele. I could have suggested a
better investment in a Flash.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=714205121-22062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>(PS
Would have sent a CC to Kahootz but they do not even have a contact email on
their site !?)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoAutoSig align=left>==================================<BR>Stephen
Digby, Learning Technology Manager<BR><A
href="mailto:digby.stephen.p@edumail.vic.gov.au">digby.stephen.p@edumail.vic.gov.au</A><BR>Cheltenham
Secondary College<BR><A
href="http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au/">www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au</A><BR>Ph: 613
955 55 955<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Fx: 9555
8617<BR>==================================<BR><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
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only way to have a friend is to be one. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Meadows, Roslyn
M<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 22 June 2005 10:35 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Year 12
Information Technology Processing and Management
Teachers'MailingList<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Year 12 IPM] Re: OT Kahootz, 7-10
IT and Has VELS got it WRONG?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Hello all</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>After reading about some of
your forays into Kahootz I decided to check it out tonight - there are tutorials
and examples on the website www kahootz.com.au.(teacher resources link)
(Sorry Greg) I think I will give it a go with my new year 8's next
semester (only 2.5 weeks away!)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Meanwhile I have finally got Moodle to work
- I had to <STRONG>beg</STRONG> our intranet administrator (a library
technician) to allow me to create my own courses - before yesterday all I could
do was edit my profile and post to a forum!! I have created courses for
each subject I teach, also for each year level and the House system, and have
uploaded lots of resources etc. As Big Kev would say "I'm excited" ! I can't
wait for a few others to catch on.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>A BIG worry if Info Tech is integrated and
not a stand alone subject - we have to email our reports to the edumail address
of the person who prints them out and late last week another staff member was
telling me she was overjoyed that she had finished her reports the night before,
but still hadn't emailed them because she had problems logging onto edumail when
she got to school that morning. I asked her why hadn't she emailed them from
home using her private ISP and she said "but they have to be sent to edumail so
I can only do that from school can't I?" And to think these people might be
teaching IT as part of their SOSE or English allotment in the near future!!!! To
me this is totally scary. And I believe that these non IT teachers would
find it scary too - and certainly not approach the teaching of ICT with anywhere
near the enthusiasm of the IT teachers who live, breath and eat their
subject for dinner! </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>I find it totally unbelievable,
that considering ICT is an area that is expanding exponentially, that
VELS does not make ICT at least as important as either English or Maths. Even we
as a group are constantly having to update our knowledge - how many of
us had even heard of blogs, wikis, moodle etc say two years ago? Surely to be
adequately prepared for the future our students need a more extensive grounding
in ICT. Australian companies are subcontracting programming to Indian companies
because of a shortage of skills and the rate of pay here, and the Indian
companies are subsubcontracting the same work out to Chinese companies. And the
reason these countries can do this programming? - because they began massive ICT
education campaigns when they realised that it was the way of the future
and one way to improve their economies. So more Aussie dollars go offshore.
We will be left in the wilderness if our students are not given these
skills.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Enough griping!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Have a wonderful wonderful holiday
everyone, thank you for all your emails - one of my favourite (relaxing) parts
of the day is getting home and reading through everything that comes to me via
the edulists.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Cheers</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>Ros Meadows</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>TONS</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>Bentleigh SC </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>9579 1044</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><A
href="mailto:meadows.roslyn.m@edumail.vic.gov.au">meadows.roslyn.m@edumail.vic.gov.au</A><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au
on behalf of Marshall, Graham F<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wed 22/06/2005 7:23
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
Teachers'Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Year 12 IPM] Re: OT Kahootz and
7-10 IT<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Greg,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Used your training material before and it
was fantastic. Any help with Kahootz will be great.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>My year 8/9/10 are enjoying the
program.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Graham Marshall - Bayswater
SC</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> ipm-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of
Greg Bowden<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wed 6/22/2005 12:15 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Year 12
Information Technology Processing and Management Teachers'Mailing
List<BR><B>Cc:</B> Year 7 - 10 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Year 12 IPM] Re: OT Kahootz and 7-10
IT<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><?fontfamily><?param Arial>Hello everyoneFurther the discussion
a couple of weeks ago about the structure of IT in the 7-10 curriculum. I’m
wondering what schools are doing with Kahootz. It seems to me to be a program
that lends itself to being taught in a stand alone IT class then used by other
KLAs once students know how to use it properly. I can’t see KLAs at my school
providing much class time for the learning of Kahootz. I’ve just started
teaching Kahootz to a year 8 IT class and I am hoping at the end of the unit one
of the other teachers of the class will set a project using Kahootz. I must
confess to also having a personal interest in Kahootz. I’ve developed a teaching
unit for it and I am trying to decide whether it is worth the time and effort to
send a flyer to schools (not much use if not many schools have started to use
it). So any feedback on your opinions of Kahootz and its use would be helpful
(e-mail me off the list if you prefer). If you would like to have a look at some
sample pages of the Kahootz unit they can be viewed at <?color><?param
0000,0000,FFFD>www.gct.com.au<?/color> - then follow the Kahootz
link.Greg BowdenICT ManagerNorth Geelong SC<?/fontfamily> Important - This
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