[Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage

[Robert Hind]

Not only the Philistines but also the pedants - can you hear me coming ?

I assume you meant to say "double declutching"

A lost art of course just like sabre tooth tiger hunting !

Robert Hind - Semi retired
Ashwood and Traralgon


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Scott" <msc at staff.luther.vic.edu.au>
To: "Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management 
Teachers'MailingList" <ipm at edulists.com.au>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:23 PM
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage


> Not many can use an abacus anymore.
>
> I had too explain to my son what "double clutching" was the other day,
> he just smiled at me like I was mad.
>
> ...and don't get me started on text messages on phones, soon the kids of
> today will lose the art of vocalization.
>
> and...
>
> and...
>
> The philistines are out in force must be nearing the end of term.
>
> Mark Scott
> Luther College
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of Laurie Savage
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:07 PM
> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers'Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
>
> And now we have a generation of people who cannot do the simplest
> calculation in their head.
>
> Laurie
>
> Mark Scott wrote:
>>
>>
>> Royce
>>
>>
>>
>> In the words of the immortal Billy S
>>
>>
>>
>> *"Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;*
>>
>> *Or close the wall up with our English dead.*
>>
>> *In peace there's nothing so becomes a man*
>>
>> *As modest stillness and humility;*
>>
>> *But when the blast of war blows in our ears,*
>>
>> *Then imitate the action of the tiger:*
>>
>> *Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood."*
>>
>>
>>
>> To be short, you have no idea what you are talking about.
>>
>>
>>
>> They said the same thing about calculators back in the early
> seventies.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cordially yours
>>
>> Mark Scott
>>
>> Luther College
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>
>> On Behalf Of Royce Williams
>> Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 2:51 PM
>> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>> Teachers'MailingList
>> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
>>
>>
>>
>> Where to start
>>
>>
>>
>> The theory that every student should own and bring to class a laptop
> is
>> of course one of the biggest educationalist crap shoots ever. With
>> changes in the Internet / increased home ownership of computers
>> /increased home broadband /USB memory down to 59$ per gig /pod
> casting/
>> VCE and drafting ... Remember that  ... I think student carried
> lippies
>> should be well dead by now.
>>
>>
>>
>> However Pods ?COWs individual laptops taken into classes is very
> valid.
>>
>> Particularly in science .. Which not only has specialist rooms but
> have
>> a huge amount of simulation and other programs that can be used.
>>
>>
>>
>> We have for student use here about 150 laptops that can be borrowed by
>
>> classes and individually. We don't use trolleys here due to physical
>> layout of school. But bringing technology to students is better than
>> making them lockstep to a "special" room .. Not withstanding that we
>> have specialist computer areas (music/multimedia/art) and two full
> size
>> computer rooms for when they are appropriate.
>>
>>
>>
>> Laptops do cost more than equivalent desktops because of more
> expensive
>> PSU's / batteries and LCD screens .. Tho the difference is rapidly
>> falling. However you also need a better constructed laptop to survive
>> the rigours of school life than you do a desk top. So hopping to get
>> several years out of a sub $1000 laptop is a forlorn hope.
>>
>> E.G. you might run DELL or Acer in your labs but you need the IBM or
> HP
>> in your laptops.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Here students are not allowed in Computer rooms without supervision
> (in
>> theory) .. In Middle school it leads off the Library .. No problems ..
>
>> But senior school is really a problem with damage .. I need to put a
>> teacher on a couch in there ... Rofl.
>>
>> However there are 12 computers in the senior Library for student use
> as
>> well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Royce Williams
>>
>> Manager Information Technology
>>
>> Billanook College
>>
>> 197-199 Cardigan Rd
>>
>> Mooroolbark 3138
>>
>> Victoria Australia
>>
>> Tel: 61-3-9725 5388; Fax: 61-3-9725 8556
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>
>> On Behalf Of Cameron
>>
>> Sent: Friday, 1 September 2006 10:22 AM
>>
>> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>> Teachers'Mailing List
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Apologies if this appears more than once - forgot to change identity.
> :(
>>
>>
>>
>> Let me say that Laptop computers are not a fad. Once seen as a way
> that
>>
>> private schools could "show off", they are now very mainstream in
> schools,
>>
>> business and homes. Laptops are a superb solution to mobility and
> "where
>> are
>>
>> we going to fit in some more computers?". They have a role to play
> where
>>
>> appropriate.
>>
>> I would give my right arm for the ability of my Science classes to be
>> able to
>>
>> wheel in a set of notebooks to record prac results and create reports
> in
>> real
>>
>> time *in the lab*.
>>
>> Each of our Yr 7 classes have their own trolley of 12 notebooks (1
>> between 2
>>
>> model) that they take to each class. They are responsible for their
> own
>>
>> trolley which has helped reduce damage as they have a sense of
>> ownership. The notebooks have helped many teachers transform the way
>> they teach. Having
>>
>> immediate access to the technology without need to organise room-swaps
> or
>>
>> book computer rooms allows teachers to teach and students to learn "on
> the
>>
>> fly" if needed. You don't need to plan to have "a computer lesson",
> you
>> just
>>
>> integrate the ICT as needed. The change we have seen in just 8 months
> is
>>
>> astounding.
>>
>> As mentioned the "bang for your buck" works out well in favour of
> desktops,
>>
>> but only if you think in terms of hardware costs. I would place a
> great
>> deal
>>
>> more weight on "educational bang for your buck" when considering
> between
>> the
>>
>> two and notebooks rapidly catch or even surpass desktops when that is
>>
>> factored in.
>>
>> Given the amount of use the laptops have had, they are holding up
>> remarkably
>>
>> well. We have had one badly damaged case that will cost in the region
> of
>> $800
>>
>> to repair. OUCH! - may as well buy a new one. We have had a bit of
> trouble
>>
>> with some keys being removed, but when you think of the amount of time
> they
>>
>> are used for, it isn't too bad.
>>
>>
>>
>> We are probably looking at a bit of both. We are having trouble
> deciding
>> where
>>
>> we can store the trolleys securely and at the same time, where we can
>> fit in
>>
>> more desktops. It is great to have the technology out of sight until
> you
>> need
>>
>> it and then you can place it on the same desks without the need for
>>
>> additional furniture or desks.
>>
>>
>>
>> If it is foreseen that students will one day have their own personal
>> computers
>>
>> in whatever form they may take, we may as well start now and develop
>> teaching
>>
>> methods and courses that use the current mobile technology. I believe
> a
>>
>> graduated development of teaching pedagogy will be more useful than
> waiting
>>
>> and trying to shift over to a new style once it has been deemed that
> enough
>>
>> students have access to make it worthwhile.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday 31 August 2006 20:12, Stephen Digby wrote:
>>
>>>  Just got a single notebook trolley with 10 ACERs much against my
>>
>>>  recomendation.  Hope that the machines last..... In the past, I have
>>
>>>  had bad experience with notebooks in classrooms - more than twice
> the
>>
>>>  price (esp. including more frequent amd much more expensive
> repairs);
>>
>>>  last less than half service life (include downtime); less classroom
>>
>>>  efficiency for teacher (get trolley, supervise handout, supervise
> use,
>>
>>>  wait till students start them up, supercvise return to trolley c
>>
>>>  correct connections to chargers; return trolley and plug in)
>>
>>>
>>
>>>  Think that this is a very temporary fad until students all have
>>
>>>  "personal" computers as seamlessly as they have phones.....
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>======================================================================
> =====
>>
>>>= ==========
>>
>>>  Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
>>
>>>  mailto:admin at cheltsec.vic.edu.au
>>
>>>  Cheltenham Secondary College www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au
>>
>>>  <http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au/>  Ph: 613 955 55 955  Fx: 9555 8617
>>
>>>
>>
> ========================================================================
> ===
>>
>>>= ==========
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>  An empty stomach is not a good political advisor.
>>
>>>  Albert Einstein
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>    _____
>>
>>>
>>
>>>  From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>
>>>  On Behalf Of Robert Minato
>>
>>>  Sent: 31 August 2006 03:37 PM
>>
>>>  To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>>
>>>  Teachers'Mailing List
>>
>>>  Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>  Our school does not let students into computer rooms unless under
>>
>>>  teacher supervision. We have three computer classrooms and another
>>
>>>  computer room attached to the library. Students are allowed to use
>>
>>>  library computers whenever library is open.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>  We have recently gone down the path of setting up three cows
>>
>>>  (computers on wheels). The library staff take bookings for these
>>
>>>  laptop trolleys; nine laptops per trolley. Teachers book the cows
> and
>>
>>>  can use them in any classroom. The advantage I have found with the
>>
>>>  cows is that you can sometimes just book one cow as not all students
>>
>>>  need a computer at the same time; ie others are doing prac tasks.
>>
>> On Thursday 31 August 2006 20:12, Stephen Digby wrote:
>>
>>>  Just got a single notebook trolley with 10 ACERs much against my
>>
>>>  recomendation.  Hope that the machines last..... In the past, I have
>>
>>>  had bad experience with notebooks in classrooms - more than twice
> the
>>
>>>  price (esp. including more frequent amd much more expensive
> repairs);
>>
>>>  last less than half service life (include downtime); less classroom
>>
>>>  efficiency for teacher (get trolley, supervise handout, supervise
> use,
>>
>>>  wait till students start them up, supercvise return to trolley c
>>
>>>  correct connections to chargers; return trolley and plug in)
>>
>>>
>>
>>>  Think that this is a very temporary fad until students all have
>>
>>>  "personal" computers as seamlessly as they have phones.....
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>======================================================================
> =====
>>
>>>= ==========
>>
>>>  Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
>>
>>>  mailto:admin at cheltsec.vic.edu.au
>>
>>>  Cheltenham Secondary College www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au
>>
>>>  <http://www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au/>  Ph: 613 955 55 955  Fx: 9555 8617
>>
>>>
>>
> ========================================================================
> ===
>>
>>>= ==========
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>  An empty stomach is not a good political advisor.
>>
>>>  Albert Einstein
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>   _____
>>
>>>
>>
>>>  From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>
>>>  On Behalf Of Robert Minato
>>
>>>  Sent: 31 August 2006 03:37 PM
>>
>>>  To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>>
>>>  Teachers'Mailing List
>>
>>>  Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>  Our school does not let students into computer rooms unless under
>>
>>>  teacher supervision. We have three computer classrooms and another
>>
>>>  computer room attached to the library. Students are allowed to use
>>
>>>  library computers whenever library is open.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>  We have recently gone down the path of setting up three cows
>>
>>>  (computers on wheels). The library staff take bookings for these
>>
>>>  laptop trolleys; nine laptops per trolley. Teachers book the cows
> and
>>
>>>  can use them in any classroom. The advantage I have found with the
>>
>>>  cows is that you can sometimes just book one cow as not all students
>>
>>>  need a computer at the same time; ie others are doing prac tasks.
>>
>>
>>
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