[Year 12 IPM] Record for number of messages broken !!!
Trish Sims
simsgrove at lexicon.net
Sat Dec 2 11:44:54 EST 2006
Hate the idea of my photo but love the concept. Great idea Keith, maybe
Santa will have time after all pressies are delivered (and reports written,
course updated, timetables finalised, desk unearthed, etc).
In regards to Kevork, I think of him as Saint Kevork. In my book that means
ultra good bloke (no religious associations intended) who really does make a
difference.
Trish Sims
Strathmore SC
PS Usually a silent but giggling lurker but have been motivated to comment
due to strength of my regard for St K.
-----Original Message-----
From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On
Behalf Of Keith Richardson
Sent: Saturday, 2 December 2006 7:19 AM
To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
Teachers'Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Record for number of messages broken !!!
Dear Santork Kev or is it Santa Kevork - You are indeed "a teacher who
changes lives" <<that's a compliment folks>> and in the spirit of
Christmas may we all collectively thank you for your listization of us
as a group.
Some years ago, Kevork, I made a suggestion that for a variety of
reasons was not taken up, and I would like to make it again. I have my
reasons for this suggestion that crystallized for me during the long
lunch periods at this year's VITTA Conference.
Each day I looked across the sea of faces, totally frustrated because
here were many friends-on-list but I was not able to RECOGNIZE THEIR
FACES because all we ever see is their names. I would have loved to
drift from list-friend to list-friend, picking up comments and
associations, and further enriching our shared experiences for the
following year.
My suggestion? <<Adjust the email list setup so that a tiny photograph
of the sender shows beside their name each time they send replies etc to
the list.>>
So there you have it. What do others think?
Merry Christmas to you all!
Keith
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 21:47:25 +1100, "Kevork Krozian"
<kevork at edulists.com.au> said:
> Hi IPM ( soon to be itapps) colleagues,
>
> Well you have done it. In Nov 2006 you posted 435 messages ( about 15
> per day ) overtaking the previous record of 424 (Aug 2006) set by the
> Business Managers' mailing list. Remember they are at their
> desks/computers almost the whole working day and your working day is a
> different arrangement.
> I hope the interaction was useful as we enter a new dawn ..... not
> meaning to be too dramatic.
>
> While I have your attention. In the next little while the ipm mailing
> list will be retired and all subscribers will be moved to the new list
> itapps at edulists.com.au . You do not need to do anything. A message will
> go out when the changeover ( will it be direct, phased, pilot or parallel
> ???? -- just kidding ! ) takes place. Just keep replying to the
> list. For a while both ipm at edulists.com.au and itapps at edulists.com.au
> will go to the same place after which ipm at edulists.com.au will no longer
> exist ........ :( teary eyed ..... I believe it is the first name
> change for IPM since 1990, though I am happy to be corrected if that is
> wrong.
>
> A similar announcement will go out to the is at edulists.com.au list which
> will convert to sofdev at edulists.com.au .
>
> The twig on the edulists tree showing ipm will gradually shrink and be
> overtaken by the itapps twig and similarly the is twig will give way to
> the sofdev one.
>
> Anyone care to make a speech on the cusp of this momentous occasion or
> are we too busy stressing out about next year ? I am not sure about
> everyone else but I will have sofdev, yr11it and VET IT which will all
> be new next year ( I will also teach Cisco CCNA 1-2 and Cisco CCNA 3-4 ).
>
> With thanks and Best Wishes to all of you
>
> Kevork Krozian
> Mailing List Creator and Administrator
> kevork at edulists.com.au
> www.edulists.com.au
> Tel: 0419 356 034
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roland Gesthuizen
> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers'Mailing List
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
>
>
> G'day Keith, my virtual shoes are ringing (or is it my music player).
> Yesterday my memory laces come loose with too many unanswered SMS pages
> and I had to reboot the soles. Enjoy the attached creative writing
> essay by one of my IPM students from four years ago.
>
> (* Clicks heels of his red shoes three times, shouting there is no
> place like school, there is no place like school ... *) Apologies to
> Dorothy and Toto.
>
> Regards Roland
>
>
> On 01/12/06, Keith Richardson <keithcr at fastmail.fm> wrote:
> G'day Scotty - suggestion - just timetable virtual classes with
> virtual
> teachers in virtual spaces then the kids stay at home, the teachers
> stay
> in the staffroom (to be close to the coffee machines), and the school
> puts extra Moodle servers into the empty classrooms. Time becomes
> immaterial because classes may be held either synchronously (if you
> were
> able to put them together in the timetable, and asynchronistically at
> other times. It sounds so good, I might just give it a try
> (joking...).
> Cheers, Keith
>
>
> On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:26:21 +1100, "Mark Scott"
> <msc at staff.luther.vic.edu.au> said:
> > Keith
> >
> > You sound so progressive and dynamic that it is depressing,
especially
> > when I am knee deep in the mire trying to build a 2007 timetable and
> > haven't looked at the study design yet.
> >
> > (Pls excuse the whinge)
> > Mark Scott
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
[mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> > On Behalf Of Keith Richardson
> > Sent: Friday, 1 December 2006 6:20 AM
> > To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> > Teachers'Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
> >
> > Thank you Mark and Paula - although I don't like it, I can see where
you
> > are coming from.
> > I personally do not like it because having to 'fake-it' rarely
leaves me
> > or the kids satisfied - it seems like science experiments of old
where
> > we tell the kids what 'should' have happened even though their eyes
and
> > ears tell them that it did not.
> > I guess that as long as we expose them to actually functioning tools
> > albeit not in their actual SAC, they can become intuitively
confident
> > that such functionality does really exist. In the past I have
> > experienced similar frustrations with wanting to have functioning
> > databases behind websites.
> > However, for myself I intend trying as hard as possible to achieve
> > genuine functionality of appropriate virtual-team-tools within their
SAC
> > situation. Time will tell!
> > Keith
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:29:14 +1100, "Christophersen, Paula P"
> > <christophersen.paula.p at edumail.vic.gov.au > said:
> > > Mark and colleagues
> > >
> > > This last interpretation of the outcome (and task requirements)
and
> > > advice about teaching and learning and assessment are timely and
> > > correct.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Paula
> > >
> > > Paula Christophersen
> > > ICT Curriculum Manager
> > > Victorian Curriculum and Assessment
> > > Authority
> > > 41 St Andrews Place
> > > EAST MELBOURNE 3002
> > > Phone: 03 9651 4378
> > > Fax: 03 9651 4324
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
[mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> > > On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 29 November 2006 8:21 AM
> > > To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> > > Teachers'Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
> > >
> > > Key things to remember abuout ITA U3O2, as I understand it...
> > >
> > > - Knowledge sharing is part of it, but the solution must also
> > facilitate
> > >
> > > team decision-making. (So a static website with info on it - as
in
> > the
> > > Potts example - is not good.)
> > >
> > > - Features that can't be realistically created for real can be
> > > simulated. e.g. Create a web forum lookalike screen in Photoshop;
fake
> > a
> > >
> > > web-shopping checkout or online feedback form, or a networked
calendar
> > > or booking sheet with graphics buttons and the like. Since it's a
> > > prototype website, such parts do not need to actually work. So
the
> > kids
> > >
> > > don't need to actually set up a Miki or a Woogle, they just have
to
> > > indicate that they know it would help the team share info / make
> > > collaborative decisions.
> > >
> > > - So by all means introduce kids to relevant tools, but don't
freak
> > > yourself out unnecessarily about having to use them in the
outcome.
> > >
> > > As I understand it...
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > Keith Richardson wrote:
> > > > I am also very confused by this Geraldine - I am almost tempted
to
> > try
> > > > to do it in two parts - one with website creation, and one using
our
> > > > Moodle in the school setting them the task to design then create
> > > various
> > > > cooperative, virtual team tools and be able to demonstrate that
they
> > > > actually work. I have not planned more deeply than that yet.
> > > > What do others think?
> > > > Keith
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:23:11 +1100, "Geraldine McKenna"
> > > > <gmckenna at ozemail.com.au> said:
> > > >> I still feel quite unclear about what is expected in this
outcome.
> > > Would
> > > >> a
> > > >> link to the Google Docs site mentioned recently suffice or a
link
> > to
> > > a
> > > >> Moodle wiki for sharing knowledge or a blog? Given that we need
to
> > > use
> > > >> web
> > > >> authoring software - Dreamweaver in my case - I can only
imagine
> > > creating
> > > >> links to other tools rather than actually creating the
knowledge
> > > sharing
> > > >> capability within the website. Can anyone give more specific
> > examples
> > > of
> > > >> how
> > > >> they imagine this prototype website will look?
> > > >> Geraldine McKenna
> > > >> Avila College
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks also for feedback re VET Multimedia. Seems it may not be
a
> > > more
> > > >> attractive option for girls?
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
> > > [mailto: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]On
> > > >> Behalf Of Christophersen, Paula P
> > > >> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 8:33 AM
> > > >> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> > > >> Teachers'MailingList
> > > >> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Dear colleagues
> > > >>
> > > >> It's great to hear this healthy discussion regarding Unit 3,
> > Outcome
> > > 2.
> > > >> I just want to stress that when students independently develop
> > their
> > > >> prototype website, it is OK just to simulate practices/tools
rather
> > > than
> > > >> creating/using them. The main intention of this part of the
outcome
> > > is
> > > >> for students to demonstrate their understanding of
tools/facilities
> > > >> available to support knowledge sharing and collaborative
> > > >> decision-making.
> > > >>
> > > >> So, when completing this assessment task, students would design
the
> > > >> website, create the homepage and create/simulate that part of
the
> > > >> website that supports knowledge sharing and collaborative
decision
> > > >> making. Then, comes the theory part on networking.
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards
> > > >> Paula
> > > >>
> > > >> Paula Christophersen
> > > >> ICT Curriculum Manager
> > > >> Victorian Curriculum and Assessment
> > > >> Authority
> > > >> 41 St Andrews Place
> > > >> EAST MELBOURNE 3002
> > > >> Phone: 03 9651 4378
> > > >> Fax: 03 9651 4324
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
> > > [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> > > >> On Behalf Of Cameron Bell
> > > >> Sent: Friday, 24 November 2006 8:05 AM
> > > >> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> > > >> Teachers'Mailing List
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
> > > >>
> > > >> Likewise. I am wondering about setting up a Jabber server for
such
> > a
> > > >> purpose. Simply to reduce external traffic costs and bandwidth
and
> > > keep
> > > >> it fully internal and "safer" for students. Has anyone done
this
> > yet?
> > > >> Would be interested in feedback.
> > > >> Cameron
> > > >>
> > > >> Keith Richardson wrote:
> > > >>> Skype has enabled some of the virtual teams I work in to be
fast,
> > > >>> efficient and effective, but it is real-time. One also needs
> > > >>> a-synchronous tools too.
> > > >>> Keith
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:30:47 +1100, "Mark Kelly"
> > > >>> <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au> said:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Yes, but is email a complete solution? It's certainly
relevant
> > and
> > > >>>> important, but can it achieve everything a virtual team
needs?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I ask myself (as 3:30 comes and I have to drag myself to a
> > > curriculum
> > > >>>> meeting) why I'm dragging myself to a meeting. Why couldn't
it
> > be
> > > >> done
> > > >>>> by email? If you can work that out, you may start to see
where
> > > >> email's
> > > >>>> limitations begin.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> 2.2 cents' worth (GST inc)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Off to curriculum. VELS again.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Sigh........
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> jtabone at aitkencollege.edu.au wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Dear All
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I am reading with interest everyone's comments on U302 -
> > > >>>>> collaborative problem solving within virtual teams and am
> > > wondering
> > > >>>>> if I may be over-simplifying this outcome task
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Going by the detailed example in the study design p. 69-70
we
> > are
> > > >>>>> given the scenario of university located on one
> > > >>>>> "large campus", whereby management has recently formed as
one of
> > > >>>>> their key objectives to "strengthen current strategic
> > > collaborations
> > > >>>>> and forge new alliances that will create new knowledge ..."
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> The task is then:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> "design and create a prototype website for Sherwood
University
> > > that
> > > >>>>> will enable various virtual teams ... to realise their goals
and
> > > to
> > > >>>>> enhance decision making, knowledge sharing and collaborative
> > > problem
> > > >>>>> solving"
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Couldn't simply having an email link solve this problem -
yes
> > you
> > > >>>>> would use wikis, blogs, forums, webcasts, and every other
"sexy"
> > > >>>>> tool
> > > >>>>> - however I can communicate virtually via email to people
with
> > the
> > > >>>>> same interest (teams)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Really, isn't that what I am doing right now - sending an
email
> > to
> > > a
> > > >>>>> group of people with a common interest and goal and sharing
> > > >>>>> information and receiving information in a collaborative
> > > environment
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Just my thoughts
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Cheers
> > > >>>>> Joyce Tabone
> > > >>>>> Aitken College
> > > >>>>>
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