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<DIV>Anybody know if the precluded stories from the booklist of the text Will
You PLease Be Quiet, PLease? Are not to taught? ie are they
proscribed? Someone mentioned they heard this at some PD. Really
can’t see it happening myself.... (gulps)</DIV>
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<DIV>Cheers RF</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=lylestebbing@yahoo.com.au
href="mailto:lylestebbing@yahoo.com.au">Lyle Stebbing</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 02, 2013 10:01 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Hi Jenny,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Thanks. I was starting to feel alone!</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Regards,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Lyle</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>I have never interpreted the transition to be religious fundamentalism,
rather political. Changez so rarely references religion in the text.</DIV>
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[english-bounces@edulists.com.au] on behalf of Lyle Stebbing
[lylestebbing@yahoo.com.au]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 2 May 2013 8:57
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<DIV><SPAN>I'm asking for some clarity here. I noticed in latest <I>The Age</I>
Text Talk that the account of 'The Reluctant Fundamentalist" again states that
Changez becomes a fundamentalist. A colleague of mine said that she assumed the
same. However, I see no evidence for this in the book. He never states in
the closing or opening pages that he's become more devout, attends the mosque
more regularly, prays more often to Allah, etc. He never mentions God as part of
his agenda. I believed that Hamid shows him being radicalised - but politically,
not in terms of religion. I interpreted his "liberation" from American ideology
to involve a left-wing opposition to US hefemony- he calls his supporters
"comrades" and the protests he is involved in Pakistan are political rather than
religious affirmations. He is fundamentally opposed to the USA but not in
Islamist fashion at all. To judge him as such because of his beard - a symbolic
defiance of Western attitudes - is surely to fall into the stereotypical
thinking Hamid is challenging.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN> I'm convinced, too, that the references to
Chile and communist poet Pablo Neruda also suggest a poliital radicalism. In
fact, it seems to me that the assumption that he's become an Islamist is based
on a kind of amnesia, a forgetting that there can be a political opposition to
American power and that to oppose America is not identical to being a Muslim
terrorist. That binary thinking is, to me, a symptom of the way the American
interpretation of all recent conflict (Huntington's "clash of civilisations")
has become the prism through which all events must supposedly be viewed - and
hence the attention given to the Boston bombers whoich neatly confirms
this.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN> I see the assumption that Changez has become an
Islamist to itself be a symptom of Western stereotyping and a kind of traducing
of the political force of the novel. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN> What do others- especially Greta -
think?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Regards,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Lyle</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv1817829541MsoPlainText><B><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Past text list issues</SPAN></B></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv1817829541MsoPlainText><I><SPAN style="COLOR: black">The Reluctant
Fundamentalist</SPAN></I><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> was on, <I>The
Reluctant Fundamentalist</I> went off, <I>The Reluctant</I>
<I>Fundamentalist</I> came back on. Now we have 21 texts on the list.
Curious!</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv1817829541MsoPlainText><SPAN style="COLOR: black">The story behind
that episode has not been made public, leaving the situation open to speculation
about the inclusion, removal, and replacement of a text which shows American
capitalism and 9/11 at least partially from an alternate point of view.
Curiouser!</SPAN></DIV>
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style="COLOR: black"></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv1817829541MsoPlainText><B><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Current film text issues </SPAN></B></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv1817829541MsoPlainText><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Now, <I>The Old
Man Who Read Love Stories</I> has gone off after three years. The reason Sean
Box current VCAA English Manager, has given is that few people selected the
text. </SPAN></DIV>
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style="COLOR: black"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=yiv1817829541MsoPlainText><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Some of the
original decisions for the selection of <I>The Old Man Who Read Love Stories
</I>might come into play here. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv1817829541MsoPlainText><SPAN style="COLOR: black">My understanding
is that</SPAN></DIV>
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there were concerns about the popularity of film texts such as <I>Look Both
Ways</I> and <I>Gattaca</I>. Apparently, it was deemed problem (by some at
least) that so many students did these film texts , that they could be
seen as easy access, and that a large number of the students who did them were
not highly able students. This apparently informed the decision to attempt to
put on a film text that would not be a highly popular blockbuster.
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style="COLOR: black">•
some people had issues with film text in the English curriculum in
general, and thought that film texts belong in Media rather than in English. The
decision was made to put on a film text is was possibly worthy but not
necessarily popular. If this is true, then an attempt to diminish the role of
film in the English curriculum through text selection raises serious questions.
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<DIV class=yiv1817829541MsoPlainText><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Many people were
surprised by the selection of <I>The Old Man Who Read Love Stories</I> and
dismayed that the film text seemed aimed at a very narrow cohort. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv1817829541MsoPlainText><SPAN style="COLOR: black">I am really
happy with <I>All About Eve</I>, and think it is a pretty good choice and my
guess is that it will be popular. My problem is the process and the
backstory. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv1817829541MsoPlainText><B><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Anyone who is
on this list and was on Text Selection Panel chaired by the previous Manager of
English, Marion White, who has any specific knowledge might like to write in and
tell us more about it. </SPAN></B></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv1817829541MsoPlainText><B><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">The broader issue </SPAN></B></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv1817829541MsoPlainText><SPAN style="COLOR: black">The broader
issue that I want to raise again is that if texts are put on the list they
should be there for four years. Even if only one teacher is doing it with one
class, it needs to be there for the time. This discussion needs also
take into consideration that when teachers might have a text going off the list,
they do not necessarily replace it with a brand new one, for instance, they may
replace it with one that is in its second year, his gives even less running
time. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv1817829541MsoPlainText><SPAN style="COLOR: black">I know sometimes
texts are put up that turn out to have very few takers ie <I>Voices and
Visions</I>, but I want to support those colleagues who make brave choices and
expand the way we think about the text list. So even if texts turn out to be
poor choices, we need to leave them on for the four years. The only exception I
can see for this is if not a single student has written on it at the end of year
exam, even then I would suggest that we think twice. If teachers cannot be
guaranteed the time, then why would anyone select a new form, or different style
of text.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv1817829541MsoPlainText><B><SPAN style="COLOR: black">The
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<DIV class=yiv1817829541MsoPlainText><SPAN style="COLOR: black">All of these
threads combined could be read as a reflection of VCAA making very conservative
decisions</SPAN></DIV>
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