<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">

<head>
<meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii">
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)">
<!--[if !mso]>
<style id=owaParaStyle>
v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
</style>
<![endif]-->
<style>
<!--
 /* Font Definitions */
 @font-face
        {font-family:"Cambria Math";
        panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
        {font-family:Calibri;
        panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
        {font-family:Tahoma;
        panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
@font-face
        {font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
        panose-1:3 15 7 2 3 3 2 2 2 4;}
 /* Style Definitions */
 p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
        {margin:0cm;
        margin-bottom:.0001pt;
        font-size:12.0pt;
        font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
        {mso-style-priority:99;
        color:blue;
        text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
        {mso-style-priority:99;
        color:purple;
        text-decoration:underline;}
p
        {mso-style-priority:99;
        margin:0cm;
        margin-bottom:.0001pt;
        font-size:12.0pt;
        font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
p.MsoAcetate, li.MsoAcetate, div.MsoAcetate
        {mso-style-priority:99;
        mso-style-link:"Balloon Text Char";
        margin:0cm;
        margin-bottom:.0001pt;
        font-size:8.0pt;
        font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";}
span.BalloonTextChar
        {mso-style-name:"Balloon Text Char";
        mso-style-priority:99;
        mso-style-link:"Balloon Text";
        font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";}
p.ecxmsonormal, li.ecxmsonormal, div.ecxmsonormal
        {mso-style-name:ecxmsonormal;
        margin:0cm;
        margin-bottom:.0001pt;
        font-size:12.0pt;
        font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
p.ecxecxmsonormal, li.ecxecxmsonormal, div.ecxecxmsonormal
        {mso-style-name:ecxecxmsonormal;
        margin:0cm;
        margin-bottom:.0001pt;
        font-size:12.0pt;
        font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
p.ecxecxmsonormal1, li.ecxecxmsonormal1, div.ecxecxmsonormal1
        {mso-style-name:ecxecxmsonormal1;
        margin:0cm;
        margin-bottom:.0001pt;
        font-size:12.0pt;
        font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
p.ecxmsochpdefault, li.ecxmsochpdefault, div.ecxmsochpdefault
        {mso-style-name:ecxmsochpdefault;
        margin:0cm;
        margin-bottom:.0001pt;
        font-size:12.0pt;
        font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
p.ecxmsonormal1, li.ecxmsonormal1, div.ecxmsonormal1
        {mso-style-name:ecxmsonormal1;
        margin:0cm;
        margin-bottom:.0001pt;
        font-size:12.0pt;
        font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
p.ecxecxmsonormal2, li.ecxecxmsonormal2, div.ecxecxmsonormal2
        {mso-style-name:ecxecxmsonormal2;
        margin:0cm;
        margin-bottom:.0001pt;
        font-size:12.0pt;
        font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
p.ecxecxmsonormal11, li.ecxecxmsonormal11, div.ecxecxmsonormal11
        {mso-style-name:ecxecxmsonormal11;
        margin:0cm;
        margin-bottom:.0001pt;
        font-size:11.0pt;
        font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";}
p.ecxmsochpdefault1, li.ecxmsochpdefault1, div.ecxmsochpdefault1
        {mso-style-name:ecxmsochpdefault1;
        margin:0cm;
        margin-bottom:.0001pt;
        font-size:10.0pt;
        font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
p.msochpdefault, li.msochpdefault, div.msochpdefault
        {mso-style-name:msochpdefault;
        margin:0cm;
        margin-bottom:.0001pt;
        font-size:10.0pt;
        font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
span.balloontextchar0
        {mso-style-name:balloontextchar;
        font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";}
span.ecxmsohyperlink1
        {mso-style-name:ecxmsohyperlink1;
        color:blue;
        text-decoration:underline;}
span.ecxmsohyperlinkfollowed1
        {mso-style-name:ecxmsohyperlinkfollowed1;
        color:purple;
        text-decoration:underline;}
span.ecxecxmsohyperlink11
        {mso-style-name:ecxecxmsohyperlink11;
        color:blue;
        text-decoration:underline;}
span.ecxecxmsohyperlinkfollowed11
        {mso-style-name:ecxecxmsohyperlinkfollowed11;
        color:purple;
        text-decoration:underline;}
span.ecxecxemailstyle1711
        {mso-style-name:ecxecxemailstyle1711;
        font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
        color:windowtext;}
span.ecxemailstyle261
        {mso-style-name:ecxemailstyle261;
        font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
        color:#1F497D;}
span.emailstyle40
        {mso-style-name:emailstyle40;
        font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
        color:#1F497D;}
span.emailstyle43
        {mso-style-name:emailstyle43;
        font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
        color:#1F497D;}
span.EmailStyle400
        {mso-style-type:personal-reply;
        font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
        color:#1F497D;}
.MsoChpDefault
        {mso-style-type:export-only;
        font-size:10.0pt;}
@page Section1
        {size:612.0pt 792.0pt;
        margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}
div.Section1
        {page:Section1;}
-->
</style>
<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
 <o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
 <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
  <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
 </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
</head>

<body bgcolor=white lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple>

<div class=Section1>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And one other thing to remember &#8211; assessment of written
work in English involves matters of judgement. There are not neat answers to
Russell&#8217;s questions &#8211; the questions are important because they lead
to discussion, and we make our judgement based on all those discussions we have
had about what distinguishes one piece of writing from another. Those
judgements are up for challenge, and it is in those challenges that I&#8217;ve
had some of my best professional development. We should not be frightened by the
lack of certainty, but thankful because we are reminded that there are still
surprises for us to be had when we read student writing. I like reading
discussions like this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Prue <o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>

<div>

<div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'>

<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> english-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Reynolds, Gail G<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 13 July 2012 10:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> VCE English Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [English] expected qualities<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<div>

<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>To
weigh into this discussion again, Russell, as I tried to indicate in my
previous email, those are guidelines for the assessors, not dot points to be
ticked off. The words you are worrying about are markers <strong><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>only</span></strong> of high level
responses (if you like an answer to the question <em><span style='font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>what differentiates a high scoring response?</span></em>)&nbsp;
Remember purpose and audience, these are assessor <u>guidelines </u>and
intended for that purpose <em><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>they
are </span></em><strong><i><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>not
criteria </span></i></strong><em><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>as
such but d<u>escriptors</u> intended to <u>characterise</u></span></em>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Secondly
you are not understanding the meaning of the point, because you
have&nbsp;emphasised part of the statement only.&nbsp; The reason that this
point does not appear in the lower descriptors is that this c<u>haracteristic</u><strong><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> only</span></strong> belongs to a 9
or 10 script,&nbsp;ie the best and the best of the best.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>The
'strategy' is NOT NECESSARILY about 'supplying an argument' (although in <em><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>some</span></em> cases it could
be)&nbsp;There are any number of ways the 'appropriate strategy'&nbsp;can
be&nbsp;achieved&nbsp; The minute a list is created, then other strategies, not
envisioned by the maker/s of the list, are excluded but the descriptors are
intended to be open so that students who have high level&nbsp;skills to employ
unusual but effective and highly engaging ways of exploring the text and the
question are not penalised but can be rewarded. The 'strategy' reflects the
student's high level ability to engage with the issues of the text and topic ,
the way the issues are raised by the author, the way meaning is created for the
audience... in short it is about insightful ways of thinking<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Gail<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<div>

<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
style='color:black'>

<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center>

</span></div>

<div id=divRpF989095>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>
english-bounces@edulists.com.au [english-bounces@edulists.com.au] on behalf of
rdf4@bigpond.com [rdf4@bigpond.com]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 13 July 2012 9:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'VCE English Teachers' Mailing List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [English] expected qualities</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I&#8217;m
sorry you seem to think I&#8217;m playing around here Mary. I explained earlier
why I think this is an important issue.&nbsp; The term <strong><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>the basis of the text</span></strong>
is increasingly looking like a set of weasel words to me and in the pursuit of
clarity I intend to continue to ask what it means.&nbsp; Your sentence, </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The
basis of the text can give rise to multiple meanings of it.&nbsp; </span><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Might be more simply and
clearly be written as</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>&#8216;the text can give rise to multiple readings&#8217;. I
still&nbsp; have no idea what is meant by <strong><span style='font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"'>the basis of the text.</span></strong>
&#8216;Basis&#8217; implies a foundation, as I said before its one thing. What
is the foundation of Macbeth? perhaps it is the text itself. Now this is
circular and clearly unhelpful. I suggest again that the phrase as it stands in
the descriptor is redundant, as it is in your sentence.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Secondly,
if a strategy is supplying an argument, then why doesn&#8217;t the descriptor
mention the word argument in its stead. One would expect the ability to supply
an argument to be a feature of middle ranking papers as well as the 9-10 grade
where it singularly appears. Further to this, I would be looking for an
&#8216;effective&#8217; argument, not being sure what an appropriate one is...<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>But
thanks for your input so far.... I understand if feel you can&#8217;t continue
and prefer to simply disagree.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Russell<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a
href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com" target="_blank"
title="mary.mason@bigpond.com">Mary Mason</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>
Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:32 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"
title="english@edulists.com.au">'VCE English Teachers' Mailing List'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Re:
[English] expected qualities<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I think you are now playing with words. The basis of the text
can give rise to multiple meanings of it. I can argue about Macbeth from a feminist
perspective; I can argue that he is beguiled by the witches and his wife; I can
argue that he has created a weaker <br>
Scotland; and so on. In each case I am using the text as the basis but I am
giving it an angle, or following a particular perspective. In terms of
strategy, as a marker, you look for an argument and how appropriately students
have argued. I think students do make choices about what strategy to adopt and
when there is congruence with what they are arguing, it is magic. Russell,
perhaps we just disagree.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Mary</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<div>

<div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'>

<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>
english-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>rdf4@bigpond.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 12 July 2012 10:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'VCE English Teachers' Mailing List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [English] expected qualities</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi
Mary;&nbsp; and thanks for the response...</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I
think what you&#8217;ve written actually highlights one of the aspects of the
issue: you write that you&#8217;re guessing twice and presuming once in your
interpretation of this, I would argue, poorly written descriptor.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>If
I understand you correctly you&#8217;re suggesting that the idea of multiple
readings&nbsp; constitute the basis of the text. As I understand it a basis is
one thing, so I&#8217;m not sure if this is possible.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>You
go on to argue that &#8216;appropriateness&#8217; suggests choices, but the
descriptor specifically mention an appropriate strategy, not that students
would put up one strategy, and then another, then demonstrate that
they&#8217;ve chosen one. Anyway, what I want know is what is such an
appropriate strategy and, by definition, what is an inappropriate one. Two
responses so for have tried to argue that relevance her might be the
discriminating element here. Gail suggested that students can wonder off topic.
Her example was the&nbsp; <em><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Years
of Wonders</span></em> one where students might talk in general terms about the
plague in London and forget the setting of the text being Eyam. This hardly
seems like an issue to do with a highly graded paper. The American novel
containing flashbacks seems like students need to deal with a fairly clear
structural element within the text: time shifts.&nbsp; I haven&#8217;t read it
myself so I cant comment on the complexity of it... but the issue is, again,
not one of complexity, but of the two elements <strong><span style='font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"'>an appropriate strategy</span></strong> in dealing with
the topic&nbsp; and what is <strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>the
basis of the text</span></strong>. As far as I can see no clear explanation has
been arrived at.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks&nbsp;
</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Russell</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a
href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com" target="_blank"
title="mary.mason@bigpond.com">Mary Mason</a> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>
Thursday, July 12, 2012 1:36 PM</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"
title="english@edulists.com.au">'VCE English Teachers' Mailing List'</a> </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Re:
[English] expected qualities</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi - I am not an assessor now but given that there are multiple
readings of texts I guess that what this descriptor is saying is that any
reading must be grounded in the text and recognising that such readings will be
different. Presumably the ways in which students interrogate the text should
show the complexity of their response and the choices they deliberately make to
express their reading. Appropriateness suggests they make choices.&nbsp; For
example on Sunday School this week, a teacher talked about the importance of
students not just pursuing the flashbacks of the main character of the novel to
America but the lived in present of his dialogue with the American. Those
students who merely explore the flashbacks without relating it to present time
would not have such a complex reading and may just be repeating a received
reading instead of using all of their knowledge about the text to tackle the
question dynamically.&nbsp; I guess if I were marking &#8211; and I have marked
in the past &#8211; I would be looking for not only the capacity of the student
to have developed a complex reading of the text which is supported by that
text, but I would be looking at the fluency through which he or she could
express that meaning cogently, and succinctly using appropriate metalanguage
which is at the same time evocative of the language of the novel. The very best
answers use language so well. I have also marked literature as well and in both
cases originality and complexity of reading matched by excellent fluency are
the hallmarks of top answers. Why is the basis of the text not in other levels?
Well it should be but it is only in those high answers that the response is
controlled and the student is making choices about appropriate strategies.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Cheers</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Mary</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<div>

<div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'>

<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">english-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
[<a href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com" target="_blank">rdf4@bigpond.com</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 12 July 2012 1:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> VCE English Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [English] expected qualities</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Wondering
if there&#8217;s any other assessors on this thread who care to comment on the
descriptor in question... Personally, and professionally I might add, I find
this an interesting issue. If these descriptors hold any weight at all in the
assessment process then don&#8217;t we have an obligation to understand them;
or if they are poorly written then at least identify their shortcomings and
deal with it...?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The
key questions once again are:&nbsp; What is <strong><span style='font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"'>the basis of the text?&nbsp; </span></strong>For
instance, what is the basis of, say, <em><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Cat&#8217;s
Eye</span></em>? And what is meant by <strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>an
appropriate strategy</span></strong> for dealing with it (ie the topic) and why
is there no need for a strategy (appropriate or otherwise) below the 9-10
range?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks
</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Russell</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a
href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com" target="_blank" title="rdf4@bigpond.com">rdf4@bigpond.com</a>
</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:14 PM</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"
title="english@edulists.com.au">VCE English Teachers' Mailing List</a> </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Re:
[English] expected qualities</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<div>

<div>

<div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi
Gail</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks
for contributing to this thread. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Just
to be clear, it&#8217;s dot point 2 in the 8-10 range I&#8217;m referring to. I
suppose good, clear writing is what I&#8217;m concerned about here.
Firstly,&nbsp; if someone could explain to me what <strong><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>the basis of the text </span></strong>is<strong><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>,</span></strong> why it is
considered so important then maybe we could then discuss profitable ways of
teaching to it. For instance, what is the basis of the text Cat&#8217;s Eye by
Margaret Atwood?&nbsp; Secondly,&nbsp; what is meant by an <strong><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>appropriate strategy</span></strong>
and why aren't students below the 9-10 range considered to need one,
appropriate or otherwise?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I
don&#8217;t have any anxieties about the discrepancy rates or lack thereof,
just thinking that we need to know exactly what is going on in the language and
syntax of this descriptor. Gail&#8217;s point about students thinking they are
meeting the [wider] implications surely become an issue when no such
implications are referred to in the examination criteria.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Russell</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a
href="mailto:reynolds.gail.g@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank"
title="reynolds.gail.g@edumail.vic.gov.au">Reynolds, Gail G</a> </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 4:57 PM</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"
title="english@edulists.com.au">VCE English Teachers' Mailing List</a> </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Re:
[English] expected qualities</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi
Russell,</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>I
think the point of the phrase is that the weaker students will often go off
into tangents separating their exploration of the iissues from the text itself;
so for example a <em><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Year of
Wonders</span></em>&nbsp; response might wander off into a discussion of the
plague in general terms, say, how many were killed in London, which is
irrelevant to the text which is set (apparently) in Eyam an isolated small
village well away from London.&nbsp; The student themselves may think they are
meeting the wider implications criteria, but they are not addressing the
text.&nbsp; The phrase which worries you is a reminder to the Assessors that
these discussions need to be in a context which has a substantial link to the
content of the text. (Remember that these criteria are not the ones given on
the exam paper but intended for the assessors -- a process I think is somewhat
duplicitous ... but that is another issue altogether)</span><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>You
should also consider that the assessors make 'on balance' decisions in a
process which is holistic marking, ie markers don't tick off criteria as such,
but use them as a guide for their marking. An experienced assessor will use
these criteria to differentiate scripts, but two responses may receive the same
marks although the degree to which they meet each of the stated criteria may
show greater strength in one area over another when compared one to the
other.&nbsp; It sounds complex, but English has a very low discrepancy rate
(assessors disagreeing) </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Gail</span><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<div>

<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
style='color:black'>

<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center>

</span></div>

<div id=divRpF314813>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">english-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
[english-bounces@edulists.com.au] on behalf of <a href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com"
target="_blank">rdf4@bigpond.com</a> [rdf4@bigpond.com]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 10 July 2012 11:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> VCE English Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">english@edulists.com.au</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [English] expected qualities</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hello
Julie and thanks for your response...</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I
don&#8217;t have an issue with the key words you identify... though I have a
nagging feeling that the phrase &#8220; from the basis of the text&#8221; is
redundant. I mean the exam topic itself invariably refers to the text.&nbsp;
Unless it&#8217;s referring to something else, I don&#8217;t understand why
it&#8217;s there.&nbsp; Also your point about &#8220;understanding the text in
the wider world&#8221;... isn't this a C&amp;P feature rather than a R&amp;R
one? My understanding of an R&amp;R response is that it deals with the world of
the text, not real world elements...</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I
also wonder what is meant by &#8220;an appropriate strategy for dealing with
it&#8221; ... ie the topic; and why marks below 8 don&#8217;t need a strategy,
appropriate or otherwise. &gt;From your point of view what would such an
appropriate strategy be?&nbsp; Perhaps others also have thoughts on this?</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks
again,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Russell</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a
href="mailto:bookjewel6@gmail.com" target="_blank" title="bookjewel6@gmail.com">Julie</a>
</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Monday,
July 09, 2012 8:50 PM</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"
title="english@edulists.com.au">VCE English Teachers' Mailing List</a> </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Cc:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"
title="english@edulists.com.au">mailto:english@edulists.com.au</a> </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Re:
[English] expected qualities</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi
Russell,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The
key words in this description, for me, are: 'implications', 'exploring' and
'complexity'.&nbsp; The thinking associated with these words is quite
sophisticated.&nbsp; While we hope that all students respond 'from the basis of
the text' it is usually clear that the best responses take the ideas so much
further. The basic response 'describes' the ideas in the topic while the best
response moves way beyond this and understands the text in the wider
world.&nbsp; </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>It
is hard to explain but when you see the difference in student responses the
difference is more obvious.<br>
<br>
Regards, </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Julie
Squires</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><br>
On 09/07/2012, at 12:42 PM, &lt;<a href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com"
target="_blank">rdf4@bigpond.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

<div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi
</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I&#8217;m
looking at the 2011 Expected Qualities (Reading and Responding) for exam
markers and wonder what people understand by the term... &#8220;Demonstrates an
understanding of the implications of the topic...exploring its complexity <strong><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>from the basis of the text</span></strong>.&#8221;&nbsp;
I note that this expected quality is only referred to in the 8-10 mark
range.&nbsp; One would like to think that most students would use the text as
the basis for their response; or am I missing the point...?</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a
href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/2008eng-crit-descriptors.pdf"
target="_blank"
title="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/2008eng-crit-descriptors.pdf">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/2008eng-crit-descriptors.pdf</a></span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Russell</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a
href="mailto:lorrainepaul@hotmail.com" target="_blank"
title="lorrainepaul@hotmail.com">Lorraine Paul</a> </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Sunday,
July 08, 2012 7:58 PM</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a
href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"
title="english@edulists.com.au">english@edulists.com.au</a> </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Re:
[English] VCE English Teachers and Coordinators</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

<div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'><br>
Thanks Mary. I teach in an independent school. It's nice when you have forums
like this. All the best!<br>
</span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Lorraine </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<div>

<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>

<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center>

</span></div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>From: <a href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com" target="_blank">mary.mason@bigpond.com</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">english@edulists.com.au</a><br>
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 09:21:46 +1000<br>
Subject: Re: [English] VCE English Teachers and Coordinators</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<div>

<p class=ecxmsonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Lorraine - I&#8217;m sorry. You need to have an edumail address
to access the site. You can be a crt teacher or an employee in a state school.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=ecxmsonormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=ecxmsonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Mary</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=ecxmsonormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<div>

<div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'>

<p class=ecxmsonormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a
href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">english-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
[<a href="mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">mailto:english-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lorraine Paul<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 7 July 2012 11:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">english@edulists.com.au</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [English] VCE English Teachers and Coordinators</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

<p class=ecxmsonormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<div>

<p class=ecxmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'><br>
Hello Mary,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<div>

<p class=ecxmsonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Is this open only to&nbsp; State
School Teachers ?<br>
</span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Lorraine </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>! </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>

<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center>

</span></div>

<p class=ecxmsonormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:58:49
+1000<br>
From: <a href="mailto:mcclenaghan.douglas.j@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank">mcclenaghan.douglas.j@edumail.vic.gov.au</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:english@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">english@edulists.com.au</a><br>
Subject: Re: [English] VCE English Teachers and Coordinators</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<div>

<p class=ecxmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>Hello Mary</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=ecxmsonormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=ecxmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>Yes, I am certainly interested in this. Sign me up.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<p class=ecxmsonormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=ecxmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>Yours</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=ecxmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>Douglas McClenaghan<br>
<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Mary Mason&lt;<a href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com"
target="_blank">mary.mason@bigpond.com</a>&gt; 7/06/2012 11:13 AM &gt;&gt;&gt;</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=ecxmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>Dear VCE teachers</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=ecxmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>I am working with a group for the Department of Education on
designing course materials for Years 11 and 12 VCE English for State School
Teachers. We are also working on a site on! the Ultranet for teachers new to
VCE English. This site will provide excellent materials for teachers; provide
opportunities for them to ask questions of experienced VCE teachers;
participate in a forum with other teachers; and opportunities to access virtual
discussions/lectures on aspects of the course. We are also hopeful that there
could be a forum on it for collaborative research for VIT projects. We would
like to have about 30 teachers from state schools ,who are presently
teaching&nbsp; VCE, who would be willing to trial and help us to build the site
so it will be helpful for teachers. Participation&nbsp; will count towards
professional development time and will, I think, be most interesting. If you
are a CRT teacher you are welcome to join as well. I know it is diffi! cult sometimes
for you to pick up professional development hours. Please contact me directly
on my email: <a href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com" target="_blank">mary.mason@bigpond.com</a>
if you are able to participate. The trial will be&nbsp; in Term 3 and
will&nbsp; involve you loggi! ng into the site, participating in some of the
forums, and feeding back to us your comments.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=ecxmsonormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=ecxmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>Best wishes</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=ecxmsonormal><span style='color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=ecxmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>Mary Mason</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=ecxmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>Consultant to the Ultranet</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<p class=ecxmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'><br>
<b>Important - </b>This email and any attachments may be confidential. If
received in error, please contact! us and delete all copies. Before opening or
using attachments check t hem for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss,
damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not,
resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our
liability is limited to resupplying any affected attachments. Any
representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender, and
not necessarily those of the Department of Education and Early Childhood
Development.<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________ <a
href="http://www.edulists.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.edulists.com.au</a>
- FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe VCE English Teachers' Mailing List
kindly supported by <a href="http://www.vate.org.au" target="_blank">http://www.vate.org.au</a>
- Victorian Association for the Teaching of English VATE and <a
href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/index.html</a>
- Victorian Curriculum and Assessment ! Authority</span><span style='color:
black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

</div>

</div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br>
_______________________________________________ <a
href="http://www.edulists.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.edulists.com.au</a>
- FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe VCE English Teachers' Mailing List
kindly supported by <a href="http://www.vate.org.au" target="_blank">http://www.vate.org.au</a>
- Victorian Association for the Teaching of English VATE and <a
href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/index.html</a>
- Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>

<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center>

</span></div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>
<a href="http://www.edulists.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.edulists.com.au</a>
- FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe<br>
VCE English Teachers' Mailing List kindly supported by<br>
<a href="http://www.vate.org.au" target="_blank">http://www.vate.org.au</a> -
Victorian Association for the Teaching of English VATE and<br>
<a href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/index.html"
target="_blank">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/index.html</a> -
Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

</div>

</div>

</blockquote>

<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>
<a href="http://www.edulists.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.edulists.com.au</a>
- FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe<br>
VCE English Teachers' Mailing List kindly supported by<br>
<a href="http://www.vate.org.au" target="_blank">http://www.vate.org.au</a> -
Victorian Association for the Teaching of English VATE and<br>
<a href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/index.html"
target="_blank">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/index.html</a> -
Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</blockquote>

<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>

<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center>

</span></div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>
<a href="http://www.edulists.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.edulists.com.au</a>
- FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe<br>
VCE English Teachers' Mailing List kindly supported by<br>
<a href="http://www.vate.org.au" target="_blank">http://www.vate.org.au</a> -
Victorian Association for the Teaching of English VATE and<br>
<a href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/index.html"
target="_blank">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/index.html</a> -
Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

</div>

</div>

</div>

</div>

<p><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Important - </span></b><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>This email and any
attachments may be confidential. If received in error, please contact us and
delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses
and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by
the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the
use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any affected
attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the
individual sender, and not necessarily those of the Department of Education and
Early Childhood Development.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>

<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center>

</span></div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>
<a href="http://www.edulists.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.edulists.com.au</a>
- FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe<br>
VCE English Teachers' Mailing List kindly supported by<br>
<a href="http://www.vate.org.au" target="_blank">http://www.vate.org.au</a> -
Victorian Association for the Teaching of English VATE and<br>
<a href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/index.html"
target="_blank">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/index.html</a> -
Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

</div>

</div>

</div>

</div>

<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>

<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center>

</span></div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>
<a href="http://www.edulists.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.edulists.com.au</a>
- FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe<br>
VCE English Teachers' Mailing List kindly supported by<br>
<a href="http://www.vate.org.au" target="_blank">http://www.vate.org.au</a> -
Victorian Association for the Teaching of English VATE and<br>
<a href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/index.html"
target="_blank">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/index.html</a> -
Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

</div>

<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>

<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center>

</span></div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>
<a href="http://www.edulists.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.edulists.com.au</a>
- FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe<br>
VCE English Teachers' Mailing List kindly supported by<br>
<a href="http://www.vate.org.au" target="_blank">http://www.vate.org.au</a> -
Victorian Association for the Teaching of English VATE and<br>
<a href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/index.html"
target="_blank">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/index.html</a> -
Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

</div>

</div>

<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>

<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center>

</span></div>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>
http://www.edulists.com.au - FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe<br>
VCE English Teachers' Mailing List kindly supported by<br>
http://www.vate.org.au - Victorian Association for the Teaching of English VATE
and<br>
http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/english/index.html - Victorian
Curriculum and Assessment Authority<o:p></o:p></span></p>

</div>

</div>

</div>

</div>

</div>

</div>

<p><b>Important - </b>This email and any attachments may be confidential. If received
in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using
attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage
or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not,
resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our
liability is limited to resupplying any affected attachments. Any
representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender, and
not necessarily those of the Department of Education and Early Childhood
Development.<o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

</body>

</html>