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<p>Hi Russell,</p>
<p>I think the point of the phrase is that the weaker students will often go off into tangents separating their exploration of the iissues<a></a> from the text itself; so for example a
<em>Year of Wonders</em> response<a></a> might wander off into a discussion of the plague in general terms, say, how many were killed in London, which is irrelevant<a></a> to the text which is set (apparently) in Eyam<a></a> an isolated small village well
away from London. The student themselves may think they are meeting the wider implications criteria, but they are not addressing the text. The phrase which worries you is a reminder to the Assessors that these discussions need to be in a context which has
a substantial<a></a> link to the content of the text. (Remember that these criteria are not the ones given on the exam paper but intended for the assessors -- a process I think is somewhat duplicitous ... but that is another issue altogether)</p>
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<p>You should also consider that the assessors make 'on balance' decisions in a process which is holistic marking, ie<a></a> markers don't tick off criteria as such, but use them as a guide for their marking. An experienced assessor will use these criteria
to differentiate scripts, but two responses may receive the same marks although the degree to which they meet each of the stated criteria may show greater strength in one area over another when compared one to the other. It sounds complex, but English has
a very low discrepancy<a></a> rate (assessors disagreeing) </p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 10 July 2012 11:13 AM<br>
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<div>Hello Julie and thanks for your response...</div>
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<div>I don’t have an issue with the key words you identify... though I have a nagging feeling that the phrase “ from the basis of the text” is redundant. I mean the exam topic itself invariably refers to the text. Unless it’s referring to something else, I
don’t understand why it’s there. Also your point about “understanding the text in the wider world”... isn't this a C&P feature rather than a R&R one? My understanding of an R&R response is that it deals with the world of the text, not real world elements...</div>
<div>I also wonder what is meant by “an appropriate strategy for dealing with it” ... ie the topic; and why marks below 8 don’t need a strategy, appropriate or otherwise. From your point of view what would such an appropriate strategy be? Perhaps others also
have thoughts on this?</div>
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<div>Hi Russell,</div>
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<div>The key words in this description, for me, are: 'implications', 'exploring' and 'complexity'. The thinking associated with these words is quite sophisticated. While we hope that all students respond 'from the basis of the text' it is usually clear that
the best responses take the ideas so much further. The basic response 'describes' the ideas in the topic while the best response moves way beyond this and understands the text in the wider world.
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<div>It is hard to explain but when you see the difference in student responses the difference is more obvious.<br>
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On 09/07/2012, at 12:42 PM, <<a href="mailto:rdf4@bigpond.com" target="_blank">rdf4@bigpond.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>I’m looking at the 2011 Expected Qualities (Reading and Responding) for exam markers and wonder what people understand by the term... “Demonstrates an understanding of the implications of the topic...exploring its complexity
<strong>from the basis of the text</strong>.” I note that this expected quality is only referred to in the 8-10 mark range. One would like to think that most students would use the text as the basis for their response; or am I missing the point...?</div>
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Thanks Mary. I teach in an independent school. It's nice when you have forums like this. All the best!<br>
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>>> Mary Mason<<a href="mailto:mary.mason@bigpond.com" target="_blank">mary.mason@bigpond.com</a>> 7/06/2012 11:13 AM >>></span></p>
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who would be willing to trial and help us to build the site so it will be helpful for teachers. Participation will count towards professional development time and will, I think, be most interesting. If you are a CRT teacher you are welcome to join as well.
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